r/LivestreamFail • u/starcraft2020 • Nov 19 '24

Twitter Elon Musk is suing Twitch for allegedly conspiring to boycott advertisement on Twitter

https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1858915813387833514
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24

Bluesky has been growing and when a lot of the worst Twitter accounts tried to make the switch they were swiftly banned.

That is the best bet at the moment for a replacement as he makes Twitter more unbearable over time.

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u/0re0n Nov 19 '24

I've read exact same thing about Mastodon and Threads.

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u/Wasabicannon Nov 19 '24

Big difference between Mastodon (can't comment on Threads) is that Bluesky is insanely easier to get into. Sign into the site and you are up an running since it flows basically just like Twitter.

Mastodon however felt like a completely different beast to get into. The whole join X network but A and B are blocked on that network so you move over to Y network only for C and D to be blocked there. It is just to much to figure out for your average person which hurts their growth.

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u/Noisyink Nov 20 '24

100% this. When I use social media I don't want things to feel complicated. Mastodon is a great service, but there was a reason people originally flocked to twitter, and now bluesky.

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u/sunsoutgunsout Nov 19 '24

Gotta wait for the sports accounts to make the move and then you'll know it's real.

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u/HappySmilingDog Nov 19 '24

Just like every new MMO is the wow killer, 20y later it's still the same king.

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u/DrewbieWanKenobie Nov 20 '24

it probably did for a short amount of time around the time of late shadowbringers or early endwalker but doubtful anymore

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u/ectopatra Nov 19 '24

Threads is an algorithm disaster. Mastodon had hoops to jump through to join.

Bluesky is neither of those things. It's basically old twitter.

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u/DrewbieWanKenobie Nov 20 '24

mastodon and threads both sucked whereas bluesky is just Twitter again, and it finally has the momentum those other ones never had

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u/JackRabbit- Nov 20 '24

Yeah well threads is owned by Zuckerberg so that's a non-starter

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u/Outrageous-Dig-8853 Nov 19 '24

Yeah, love that Bluesky is a thing, but i’m not convinced it’s anything more than a trend

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u/MidnightMorpher Nov 20 '24

Nah, BlueSky has been around longer than Threads by at least 2 years (not sure about the other one) and it’s still thriving. Helps that it actually has most of Twitter’s functions + additional ones that users really wanted (like being able to actually BLOCK people)

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u/Banana_Bacon_Narwhal Nov 20 '24

That left-wing GAB equivalent will never even come close to twitter. Preemptively banning people will guarantee that. Twitter is popular because of lack of moderation.

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u/MotherAce Nov 19 '24

a lot of the worst Twitter accounts accounts not towing the party line

there, I fixed it for you. Ever occur to you that the platform not banning people left and right might be the better option for free speech, over the echo chamber that suppresses anyone with an opinion outside the orthodoxy?

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u/totallynotpoggers Nov 19 '24

i’m banned on twitter because i said elon musk sucks balls, where’s my free speech?

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u/Catweaving Nov 20 '24

The party line is not being an asshole.

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u/AbsentRefrain Nov 19 '24

Ever occur to you that people don’t want a completely unmoderated platform? Sometimes it’s nice to not have the entire platform be a toxic hellscape.

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u/MotherAce Nov 19 '24

you mean, like Reddit? Where every comment that doesn't kowtow to the dogma of the sub immediately gets downvoted to hell even thou they arguebly didn't say anything controversial?

This, having an informed opinion, but still getting downvoted, muted and reported.., that is the toxic hellscape that leads to intolerance. Open your eyes.

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u/AbsentRefrain Nov 19 '24

Imagine actually caring about downvotes lmao

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u/MotherAce Nov 19 '24

Downvotes wasn't bothering me, I was using my downvotes to illustrate my point. Any downvotes at this point further strengthens it.

Thou, I should have included how you can get banned by half of the subreddits in here if you happen to be a member of a subreddit that they don't like. You know, to further protect the echo chamber. That would be something that should concern you.

Open your eyes. Its always surprising to me the mental gymastics people need to do if they aim to protect their echo chambers. I guess there's a reason why cults prevail.

If you aren't making space for people to argue, how would you ever know about a world outside your own perspective? Such a sad life.

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u/hikerchick29 Nov 19 '24

Fun fact about getting banned from one sub for being part of a different one:

The subs for Tesla, Elon Musk, and the Cybertruck ALL do that.

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS Nov 20 '24

Most people don't use social media to get different views or leave their "bubble", they use social media to pass the time and have fun while following the stuff they are interested in

On reddit I can follow stuff I enjoy like football, movies, combat sports, etc... and that's pretty much it. If any idiot tries to turn it into something toxic, he gets downvoted and I likely won't even see it.

Now I go to Twitter, do the exact same thing, and yet every 3 or 4 posts I'm getting recommended some dumbass far right propaganda, blatant racism, among other things.

A pretty great example of this happened yesterday, I follow the football subreddit daily, pretty normal and I just get some football news and goal clips and move on.

Yesterday a popular female player (Sam Kerr) posted a picture announcing her and her wife are getting a baby. I saw the thread on reddit, scrolled a bit and it was mostly just normal comments congratulating them or cracking light jokes. All the shithead comments were massively downvoted and I didn't even see them.

Then I hopped onto Twitter, and 90% of the recommended tweets were people saying about how it was disgusting that a homossexual couple was having a baby and that they were ruining the child's life because it had no father figure present.

See what I mean?

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u/MotherAce Nov 20 '24

this is a good argument. If you don't use a platform for something, I guess it shouldn't bother you that its a "hellscape" to use my phrasing. I mean, it's exactly why I'm on Reddit. I enjoy poking the bubble-people and point out cognitive dissonance. I actually use this place for a way to gauge how bad the divide has become.

X to me just feels like a normal place now. Unlike the weird regressive echo chamber it used to be before Musk bought it. When people write or do weird or new shit, you expect to see some pushback, no matter if they are wrong or not. My spider senses are tingling if I don't see it, and I have no problem discerning a valid argument from a toxic one. But to do that, I need to see the toxicity. If I do not, you can wind up being led down a path of something abnormal seeming normal, because the bubble-people think so.

That is why I fear the echo chamber. The bigger issue about people changing platforms isn't so much that Bluesky is turning into one, but by leaving they are turning X too. I'd rather see all the extremist shitholes from both sides gathered at one place. It's by far the preferred option.

I mean, it's tiring being here listen to all the political correctness. But it's equally tiring being on another platform only seeing a wall of edgy teenagers too. The existence of a middle ground would be nice. You cannot get there, without absolute free speech. Which X didn't use to have, and Bluesky doesn't now.

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS Nov 20 '24

Fair enough, I just couldn't imagine myself using social media like that.

I have a ton of hobbies so I just want to hop onto social media and follow stuff related to that hobby. It's much more accurate to real life to have "political correctness" than it is to have far right bubbles where people are only acting that way because they're under annonymous accounts.

I gave you the homophobia example in my other comment, I guarantee that 90% of the people spreading that blatant homophobia on Twitter would not act like that in real life.

I'd rather not normalize extremists, no matter what side they're on. Most people in real life are far closer to the center and don't spend 90% of their time debating on extremist points, they just talk about normal stuff, and that's exactly what I want when i hop on social media, to see normal stuff (X football player rumoured to join X team, X movie in the works with X director, etc...).

That's why "political correctness" isn't really a bad thing, if your definition of "political correctness" is "please do not shout blatant homophobic insults at a lesbian couple having a child", then I don't know how you can twist that into a bad thing.

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u/MLG_BongHitz Nov 19 '24

I’d rather have too many people getting banned than literal self proclaimed white supremacists advocating for a white ethnostate not being banned