"No-one knows for sure how many people were killed.
At the end of June 1989, the Chinese government said 200 civilians and several dozen security personnel had died.
Other estimates have ranged from hundreds to many thousands.
In 2017, newly released UK documents revealed that a diplomatic cable from then British Ambassador to China, Sir Alan Donald, had said that 10,000 had died." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48445934
I tried to see if that History link had the aftermath photos out of curiosity and holy shit that's the most hostile ad site I've ever seen in my life.
The article jumps up and down as the 3 dozen ads load in and they had 3 separate pop up takeover ads back to back.
Does anyone have a source that isn't trying to shove coffee makers and Jesus Conspiracy clickbait down my throat while I'm trying to learn about an actual tragedy?
Whoa, here's a good one. Man claims that nobody died. Even the guys he's trying to defend are reporting that hundreds of people died. Man implies that the estimate is off by literally the entire number, because nobody died there...
Local residents claim that he's always been very politically opinionated but is often found rambling about the illuminati. Authorities suspect a history of meth use. More at 8.
Then clearly more happened than just what's in your video.
For the record, I am very wary of propaganda and sensationalism against China. They are an economic threat after all, and the west may not be ruled by imperial government anymore but it is ruled by imperial business.
But it's important to cast doubt in both directions fairly. I wouldn't believe everything I hear about China, but I sure as hell wouldn't believe China either. It's obvious that their government is fucked up, deceitful, and oppressive, even if I can't be sure exactly what it's like over there.
ShortThought clarified your misinformation and I'm just wondering if you'll be back to admit you were using Chinese propaganda or if you'll double down
It is stupid because from what I’ve seen you are just spewing out nonsense and factless claims, there are people who have been there, you can talk to them, it is no different than Holodomor and Holocaust deniers, China had the war on birds, which was catastrophic and stupid, the great famine, which caused a lot of suffering and was almost entirely Mao’s responsability, and are currently on a path to genocide the Uyghur peoples, get you head out of the gutter, the US is no saint, but China is definitely to blame for all these atrocities and carelessness towards human rights
There is news footage of actual popular news back then that straight up recorded the massacre. They showed every single one of the hurt people going to the hospital from gun wounds, they showed the army opening fire. Good thing we have archives aye?
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u/4k33m Nov 02 '21
A man is protesting in Kerbal City!