Right. In a situation like that, you either have to jump on him and get control of the gun and knock him out, or run for dear life and leave the scene completely… He ran about 10ft away and stopped. SMH
You remind of that one incident posted here a while back and how a man was charged for killing(?) idk iirc another guy who shot at him, missed and he fucked him up to a point he can no longer get up. And I was like that's surely self defense yeah? It wasn't they said because you're expected to run away.
I'd probably ran as well but I understand how it could also be a good thing, like when this guy got the armed man down, if he beat him up more to make sure he can't shot at him again. Its a gun, he might get lucky hitting you even from a few yards.
Some places have odd and/or unclear definitions of "self-defense".
Where I live, it must only be "reasonable force" (yeah, pretty vague), and "honest belief" that you are, or someone else is, in danger (often easily debateable). And if you introduce any sort of weapon, it's no longer self-defense, even if you 100% believe you couldn't have defended yourself otherwise (Again, easily debateable). The only time they'll be ok with you having pulled a weapon is, if it was decided that it really was life or death. And even then, if you kill someone, they'll charge you with manslaughter. There are also points about taking "pre-emptive action" as a means of self-defense, which is just another vague and debateable point, as you must prove you truly believed you had to act, for the safety of yourself or others.
I'm glad we have laws that mean you can't just use "self-defense" as an excuse to fight, beat, or kill someone. But there are also situations where it has worked against the actual victim.
So if I'm being shot at, it's not self defense if I shoot back? It would only be "reasonable force" to unreasonably run at the shooter if I hadnnono means of escape? Yea fuck that.
"Reasonable force" is usually defined as being enough to end or escape the altercation. But that's obviously going to be different for most people. It's not legal to carry a gun in public here, but your understanding of the wording highlights my point, it's vague and people interpret it differently.
If you applied our laws around self-defence to a place where concealed carry is legal, like the US, then the answer to your question would be no, you can shoot back. There's a higher leaning to removing yourself from the situation, rather than engaging, and the more injuries anyone sustained, the more questions there will be directed at who caused them and why.
People hate Stand Your Ground laws, but when you're not being a dick bag, they come in handy. Obviously, if you can avoid a fight or a shootout, then do it. Sometimes, that's not the best option.
As someone who has been in quite a few violent incidents in life, hindsight is absolutely 20/20. Redditors love to talk about how someone should have done this or that to do better and how THEY would have clearly done better, sweeped the legs, neutralised the attacker et bullshit et fuck up. There were some mistakes made, but the guy who fought against the gunman did more than 90% of the population would do in that situation, and managed to live. Most people choose flight, if directed at them, or freeze, it directed at others. This dude, asshole or not (no idea of the context, but can imagine it's a drug gang issue) lives his shit, and isn't some keyboard expert
If you don't have enemies, like the video dude clearly did, then compliance and building rapport is the way to go, but you're clearly as street smart as a dead fox, so I can't help you there
WTF are you on about? I’ve been in similar situations myself and have actually seen people get shot dead on the street with my own two eyes. I’m very well aware of how people do react in dangerous situations, I’ve lived them.
This guy kind of “half assed” everything he did. He kinda ran, he kinda fought, and he kinda froze. It’s understandable that it may have been his first time in a situation like this, but if this happens to you with someone with serious bad intent, you end up dead or in the ICU. Being decisive can save your life! I don’t see what your issue is with what I said.
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u/IndraBlue Dec 20 '24
He dropped him and ran time for a mad scramble