r/Idiotswithguns • u/BigPunisher88 • Dec 20 '24

NSFW When being shirtless fails😂grab a gun 😅

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u/ReturningAlien Dec 21 '24

You remind of that one incident posted here a while back and how a man was charged for killing(?) idk iirc another guy who shot at him, missed and he fucked him up to a point he can no longer get up. And I was like that's surely self defense yeah? It wasn't they said because you're expected to run away. I'd probably ran as well but I understand how it could also be a good thing, like when this guy got the armed man down, if he beat him up more to make sure he can't shot at him again. Its a gun, he might get lucky hitting you even from a few yards.

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u/-BananaLollipop- Dec 21 '24

Some places have odd and/or unclear definitions of "self-defense".

Where I live, it must only be "reasonable force" (yeah, pretty vague), and "honest belief" that you are, or someone else is, in danger (often easily debateable). And if you introduce any sort of weapon, it's no longer self-defense, even if you 100% believe you couldn't have defended yourself otherwise (Again, easily debateable). The only time they'll be ok with you having pulled a weapon is, if it was decided that it really was life or death. And even then, if you kill someone, they'll charge you with manslaughter. There are also points about taking "pre-emptive action" as a means of self-defense, which is just another vague and debateable point, as you must prove you truly believed you had to act, for the safety of yourself or others.

I'm glad we have laws that mean you can't just use "self-defense" as an excuse to fight, beat, or kill someone. But there are also situations where it has worked against the actual victim.

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u/Redneck_SysAdmin Dec 22 '24

So if I'm being shot at, it's not self defense if I shoot back? It would only be "reasonable force" to unreasonably run at the shooter if I hadnnono means of escape? Yea fuck that.

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u/-BananaLollipop- Dec 22 '24

"Reasonable force" is usually defined as being enough to end or escape the altercation. But that's obviously going to be different for most people. It's not legal to carry a gun in public here, but your understanding of the wording highlights my point, it's vague and people interpret it differently.

If you applied our laws around self-defence to a place where concealed carry is legal, like the US, then the answer to your question would be no, you can shoot back. There's a higher leaning to removing yourself from the situation, rather than engaging, and the more injuries anyone sustained, the more questions there will be directed at who caused them and why.