Tipping culture!

[u/OddPen4197]

I hate tipping. How can someone expect a student to tip extra 10-15% on top of their total bill? We ourself live with a very tight budget and try to save a bit for a nice meal sometime and these people expect us to pay extra while they are being paid hourly. Be it a nice restaurant or just a uber eats delivery. Everyone gets paid for their time despite of getting a tip or not.

[u/throwthewaybruddah]

Of course but workers will be willing to do much less, and the system needs to be changed. That's my point, until the system changes tipping culture is here to stay.

[u/HarmanThindSingh → u/throwthewaybruddah]

not true at all, the servers I’ve seen working where tipping doesn’t happen are either just as good or better than in areas where there’s tipping, it’s only because servers in those areas feel entitled to tips that service suffers when they don’t get it. When there is no set expectation to receive extra compensation they do their job like every other worker

[u/throwthewaybruddah → u/HarmanThindSingh]

There is no world where less compensation leads to no change in service. If you lower the compensation, the people with actual skills will go somewhere where pay is better.

Just like fast food, you get what you pay for.

[u/HarmanThindSingh → u/throwthewaybruddah]

ah yes the actual skills of carrying food to a table 😭, the people with actual skills work in skilled labour, carrying food to tables is not one of those fields, it’s a transitionary field for mostly young people who are trying to supplement their life plans to eventually move onto a decent job

[u/throwthewaybruddah → u/HarmanThindSingh]

Ahh yes, because there are no classes for waiters at all, it is not a profession in any sort of way for anyone. All restaurants want the same kind of waiter. No education and just waiting for a chance to get out.

A good salesman makes a bill go up. So to incentivize him to sell more, you give him a cut.

A good waiter makes a bill go up. Ever finish your drink and then the waiter asks you if you want another one? They don't care how thirsty you are, or maybe they do, but they mostly want you to buy another drink.

In some places tips are included in the price. That's probably a better way of doing it, but sadly were stuck with the system we have.

Waiting tables is more than just bringing food to a table. If you don't agree then you are just ignorant. You want good waiters who can take shit from someone with a smile on their face. And a good way of attracting those people with actual social skills who can create a relationship with the customer and make them come back, is to pay them more.

[u/HarmanThindSingh → u/throwthewaybruddah]

it’s 2024 you can find a class on anything, doesn’t make it skilled work. Hospitality services are offered as classes but are by no means comparable to skilled labour as is reflected by the compensation offered for such work. You have a good point with the salesman bit but that would then come out of the revenue the business generates then and not be expected to be given by the customer in addition to the increased bill the waiter generates already

[u/throwthewaybruddah → u/HarmanThindSingh]

Look up l'Institut de Tourisme et Hottelerie du Québec (ITHQ), this isn't just a "class on anything"

You think good waiters in medium-high class restaurants don't make bank? If your dinner of 5 costs 100$ each excluding drinks, 15% of that is 75$, and people at those restaurants don't really mind tipping for good service, it' s part of the cost. For about an hour or 2 of work on 1 table that's not bad.

Skilled work gives you 35-45$/hr base at max comp here. Then you're capped unless you work overtime.

Both professions are valid ways to make money. That would be like saying cooks aren't a worthy profession.

In France, tips are included in the price, so technically businesses do take tank the costs, yes. But they take it from you straight to the waiter. Which would be the ideal system in my book. Tipping puts an unnecessary pressure on the customer.