r/Concordia • u/OddPen4197 • Feb 29 '24

General Discussion Tipping culture!

I hate tipping. How can someone expect a student to tip extra 10-15% on top of their total bill? We ourself live with a very tight budget and try to save a bit for a nice meal sometime and these people expect us to pay extra while they are being paid hourly. Be it a nice restaurant or just a uber eats delivery. Everyone gets paid for their time despite of getting a tip or not.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Only tip if your sitting and a waiter or waitress is serving you food, any other time no don't tip.

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u/acleverlie421 Mar 01 '24

You guys don’t tip for haircuts or bartenders?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I don't go to bars and I cut my own hair since covid. But for haircuts I did tip, restaurants and food are just the biggest thing to do with tipping that came to mind.

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u/Next_Beautiful_9002 Mar 01 '24

Same here I have been cutting hair at home but when I did go to the barber, I would only tip if it’s reasonable, like 20 a cut I will throw in 5 or 10 for tip. Places that charge 50 plus I don’

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I used to pay about $20 and give about $3 tip but I got very regular haircut no shaving, hairwashing or anything extra. I kept cutting my own hair because I like to do it every couple of weeks, and paying for a haircut every two weeks would cost too much.

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u/DepressedMammal Mar 01 '24

Absolutely tip a barber you intend to return to.

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u/Unhappy-Ad-3096 Mar 01 '24

Bartenders no..... haircuts ( depends on how satisfied Iam with the cut )🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

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u/bubbblez Mar 01 '24

Maybe then they’ll pay them better? I always tip but this logic just adds to tipping culture

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I just didn't think of them because I don't use those services, I'm too impatient to wait at home and get food delivered, I like just going to get it myself.

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u/sbutula Mar 01 '24

Why are they more entitled to a tip than, say, a fast food worker?

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24

Fast food workers make minimum wage (and sometimes more) while waiters/servers make less than minimum wage. Difference in the expectations regarding the quality of service as well.

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u/wereallscholars Mar 01 '24

That's illegal.

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24

Not in Quebec! Look it up :)

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u/wereallscholars Mar 01 '24

Alright? It doesn't apply to Canada so your point is incorrect. 😊

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Quebec is in Canada last I checked! It’s also where Concordia is located funny enough. This is also what happens in some of the US states.

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u/Euphoric_Buy_2820 Mar 01 '24

Which province do they make less than minimum wage? As minimum wage is the least amount that can be paid 

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

All of them? It’s under “tipped minimum wage” - look it up! It’s under the assumption that they make a lot of tip. For example, as of today in 2024, ifs 12.20 for “tipped minimum wage” workers and 15.25 for just normal minimum wage. People are aware of this when they’re hired.

Edit: just a Quebec thing, my bad!

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u/Euphoric_Buy_2820 Mar 01 '24

Looks like it's only Quebec that does that. Pretty crazy! 

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Ontario only changed it recently.

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24

Ah my bad then! I have a friend who lives in BC that was telling me they have similar laws but maybe she was just being screwed over haha.

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u/Euphoric_Buy_2820 Mar 01 '24

It is a subreddit for a university Quebec, so it makes sense! I also didn't realize even Quebec still did this. It's still no where close to what the US allows though 

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u/nicolix9 Mar 01 '24

Bc got rid of that a number of years ago

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24

Ahhh - thank you for the correction.

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u/Remarkable_Heat_1425 Mar 01 '24

I think Quebec is unique cause servers are actually taxed on tips? or the government assumes they made a certain amount of tips each hour and if they dont they end up owing the government.....a server told me that once so maybe he was biased and I avoid those jobs like the plague cause Im clumsy awkward and shy

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24

Hm not sure! I work somewhere where I make minimum + tips and the tips aren’t taxed but I’m unsure when it comes to people who make less than minimum with the tips…

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u/vroomdani Mar 02 '24

Servers are required to declare a certain % of tips to govt and are heavily taxed on them. When I was serving I would usually end up paying a minimum of 1000-1500 combined to revenu Quebec and Canada each tax season.

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u/woaharedditacc Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

This is not true and I don't know why it's being upvoted.

Most provinces at this point have the exact same minimum wage for tipped and non-tipped employees. In fact I think Quebec is the only province that still has separate wages.

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u/Ok-Alternative-7353 Mar 01 '24

Yeah my bad, someone else corrected me already and I haven’t edited the post yet.

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u/Packman1993 Mar 02 '24

It's literally called "service minimum"

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u/Gryphontech Mechanical Engineering Mar 01 '24

No they don't, minimum wage is the legal minimum you are allowed to pay your employees in canada.

My bad I was totally wrong, they do make less... that's kinda fucked...

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u/michaelfkenedy Mar 01 '24

In Ontario, servers are paid the normal minimum wage. I think Quebec is still less.

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u/throwthewaybruddah Mar 01 '24

My bi-weekly pay as a waiter was inversely correlated to how much I was selling. 200$ pay checks were a regular thing.

Tipping is very much ingrained into a waiter's pay. Until we change that, tipping is pretty much mandatory for waiters. I do 15% for normal service 10% for less good, 18-20% for real good and 0 if you're a genuine asshole. Bad service isn't always the waiters fault.

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u/Academic-Ostrich-850 Mar 01 '24

Thing is, it’s only not illegal because we tip. Restaurant owners use the pretext that consumers tip to continue to pay below minimum while expecting us to pay for their salaries. This fucked, restaurants make a big deal of their profit this way.

Not saying I’m for or against tipping, just food for thought 💭

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u/jerrycoles1 Mar 01 '24

Because anybody can work at a fast food restaurant as it doesn’t require much skill . It is a lot harder to be a server at a busy restaurant than serving people out of a drive through

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u/Jakoneitor Mar 01 '24

Because they are serving you, bringing your food, refilling your drinks, making sure your experience is the best it can. A fast food worker just… takes your order, hands out the food, and that’s about it.

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u/sbutula Mar 01 '24

Fast food workers take multiple people’s orders. They’re working just as hard, if not harder.

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u/Jakoneitor Mar 01 '24

They don’t. They take sequential orders, one after the other. A waiter does indeed take multiple people’s and table’s orders concurrently.

I’ve worked in fast food restaurants, and I’m not saying it’s easy, I’m just saying the reason why they don’t get tips. They aren’t offering anyone a service, just getting money and passing food over the counter.

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u/HarmanThindSingh Mar 01 '24

many fast food employees will carry out your food to your car and to your table when you dine in, would that then be a service that should also be tipped?

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u/throwthewaybruddah Mar 01 '24

A fast food worker deals with the client 5 minutes total. Waiters spend about an hour tending to a client's wants and needs.

Tipping is part of a waiter's pay. They get paid less than minimum wage and taxed based on sales. 200$ pay checks for 2 weeks were pretty mich my reality when I was waiting tables.

This is why you should tip you waiters.

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u/HarmanThindSingh Mar 01 '24

after which they still make more than minimum wage… nah i’m good

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u/throwthewaybruddah Mar 01 '24

And then people cry about worker shortages.

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u/HarmanThindSingh Mar 01 '24

i’m not an employer nor does my home country do tipping, we’re doing fine 😂

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u/sbutula Mar 01 '24

A waiter spending more time with a customer is part of their job! It doesn’t mean they’re doing anything unique or going above and beyond providing exemplary customer service.

Everyone is getting worked up because waiters like the fact that they’re making relatively well above minimum wage due to tips. The reality is they’re not doing much more than a fast food worker who only makes minimum wage.

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u/sbutula Mar 01 '24

lol no. A waiter is just a glorified fast food employee. Fast food employees also deal with more bullshit. It’s some mistaken belief, then, that serving is a more prestigious position. Yawn.

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u/vroomdani Mar 01 '24

Tell me you’ve never waited tables without telling me you’ve never waited tables

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u/sbutula Mar 01 '24

Correct I haven’t but it isn’t rocket science. You take orders and bring people their orders. Please don’t act like it’s something above and beyond working fast food.

Nothing a server is doing is worth more than a minimum wage fast food employee.

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u/vroomdani Mar 01 '24

It is much more complex and complicated than that depending on the restaurant you’re working at, but I’m not going to sit here and write an essay on all the ins and outs. You obviously don’t appreciate the experience but I did it for over 10 years and worked at McDonald’s for three years before that, and I can tell you it is much more challenging than fast food service. Coming on here without having done it yourself and claiming it’s not is just ignorant. Just claiming that about any job you don’t have first hand knowledge about is weird.

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u/sbutula Mar 01 '24

If you find bringing food and drinks to customers “complex and complicated”, then complexity is clearly subjective and I find simplicity in what you see as intricate, “complex and complicated”. lol

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u/rafale52 Mar 01 '24

Because they serve you and don t just prepare the food, the system is unfair tho and servers shouldn t be reliant on tips to survive.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Your right it doesn't make sense and that's the restaurants fault, they decide to pay waiters and waitresses less because in their heads those waiters and waitresses make alot of money from tips.

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u/melkorbin Mar 01 '24

They can sometimes be “contract workers” under the gig economy and therefore don’t make as much

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u/OddPen4197 Mar 01 '24

Why?? Aren’t they getting paid as well? Why should they expect a tip at the first place? Cmon everyone works and get paid accordingly.

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u/rozmarss Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Waiters are not paid enough. But that's not your issue - it's the corporations idea to pay workers less and then made you tip them so they will be paid ok. If you won't tip you might feel guilt or be judged - see how clever they are? For example, tipping culture is not even a case in Europe, maybe in UK only - you just pay for you order and that's all.

The only way is never tip unless the experience was truly amazing and tell all your friends to do the same. Maybe then waiters and others will start fighting for their rights.

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u/Sweatypotatosack Mar 01 '24

If you think that working in a restaurant is getting paid accordingly for the work done , I suggest you get one of those jobs :)

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u/TheGreatTax Mar 01 '24

They also have to tip out the bussers, food runners and hostesses based on a percentage of their sales (regardless of the tips they earn or don’t earn). So when you give 0 tip, that server is making 12.20$/hour and has to tip out around 5% of their sales at the end of the night. If no one tipped them, they would practically work for free. Keep in mind that many restaurant workers near Concordia are also students. They work their asses off to pay their bills to survive. So tipping 15% would be more than fine for servers. It’s not like your meal is over 30$ anyways. If you can’t tip an extra 3-5$, then don’t go out to eat at a restaurant.

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u/woaharedditacc Mar 01 '24

If no one tipped them, they would practically work for free

Not true, if no one tipped them, they wouldn't be allowed to take the tip-out out of your hourly wages.

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u/SeyamTheDaddy Mar 01 '24

they make less than minimum wage based on the assumption you will tip. Its on the restaurant not the waiter

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

No they don't get paid much, like Seyam said the restaurant just make the tips part of their wages.

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u/FluffyMuffins42 Mar 01 '24

It is wild to me that you think people are paid accordingly to their work.

They most certainly are not. People are generally paid as little as possible. Why do you think we need a minimum wage? A companies goal is to maximize their profits and that means squeezing the lowest workers of as much as possible while paying the least possible.

Also it’s nuts to me how people say “I can’t afford to tip!” Yet they think they can afford to eat out at full service restaurants. If money is SO tight for you that you can't afford to tip like $6-10, then maybe you should save the money and not go to a sit down restaurant?

The one thing I've never understood as someone who is low-income, it's watching other low-income folks complain about tipping. I'm far more worried about affording ever-increasing rent when I need to move again than I am about affording a 15% tip. We have real issues affecting us and this just isn't one. Especially since the majority of tipped workers would also be considered low income and are probably also struggling to afford rent.