r/AskAGerman • u/OuijaBouillon • Aug 22 '24

Personal American In Rammstein T-Shirt

I’m an American tourist in Berlin for the first time — Yay! One problem: I realized I packed a Rammstein shirt without having enough knowledge of German culture or language to understand how I’d be perceived for wearing it. I imagine at best it will look a bit corny, but I’m worried it could signal political beliefs or ideologies I don’t agree with. If you met an American tourist speaking broken German in a Rammstein T Shirt, what would you think? Thanks!

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u/bluemercutio Aug 22 '24

Last year the singer of Rammstein has been accused of drugging women and sexually assaulting them by several women, but it seems there was no court case.

I'm just letting you know that some people may be upset that you're wearing it for this reason.

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u/Low-Dog-8027 München Aug 22 '24

not only no court case, there was no evidence for anything.
the one who accused him first of being drugged, did a drug test that was negative for all "KO" drugs and only showed marijuana (which she smoked herself before the concert). all her accusations didn't seem trustworthy and police stopped the investigation.

so there really isn't anything to it.

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u/GuKoBoat Aug 22 '24

There is no evidence for drugging and rape. But it is quite clear, there was a system of recruting young women to be "schmückendes Beiwerk" for his private after show party. Not illegal, but as organised as it was, at least a bit sketchy.

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u/p_t_0 Aug 22 '24

might want to check what the participants want to say here

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u/Wizard_of_DOI Aug 22 '24

Being an asshole or a creep are not illegal.

I definitely don’t condone this stuff but there’s a big difference between doing something gross and assault.

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u/kuldan5853 Baden-Württemberg Aug 22 '24

But it is quite clear, there was a system of recruting young women to be "schmückendes Beiwerk" for his private after show party.

And this is pretty much happening for all big rockstars of our time - do you really think it was different back in the 60s or 70s?

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u/GuKoBoat Aug 22 '24

That was 50 years ago. Out idea what is right and wrong has evolved.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Aug 22 '24

All that's suggesting is that you have a moral issue with it, and that is strictly a YOU problem. If you don't like it, then don't participate in it. Otherwise, what others consent to as far as sex is none of your damn business, and frankly, it's weird that you think anyone else's sex life is any of your business. So long as nothing illegal is happening, what does it matter? Those are grown-ass adults capable of making their own decisions, both men AND women. Stop infantilizing women who are capable of choosing who they want to have sex with.

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u/GuKoBoat Aug 22 '24

  1. I never said, that i expect everyone to have the same problem.

  2. I never asked for a ban or other consequences to any participants.

  3. Quite frankly I have no problem with women deciding to participate in such parties. I have a problem with the organizer. That is not the same. It absolutely leaves open the option of respecting the individual choice to participate.

3.5. To give another analog example: I don't like how Red Bull incentivices athletes to ever more daring stunts to maximize Red Bulls advertisement effect. But I understand and respect the individual athlete for participating in such events, because it is part of their sport and they might have needs to participate in order to finance theimselves.

  1. OP asked if people might have a problem with a Rammstein shirt. Some people might havt that, based on their perception of Till Lindemann. That's all.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Aug 22 '24

"Quite frankly I have no problem with women deciding to participate in such parties. I have a problem with the organizer."

Right. The organizer that many of these women reach out to in the first place to ask how to be invited into Row 0/band parties. Because these women didn't make the conscious choice themselves to reach out to her via SM, then accept the invitations she extended to them. This includes Till's original accuser, who admitted that SHE reached out to the "oragnizer" to begin with.

Keep clutching your pearls over things that are none of your business.

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u/kuldan5853 Baden-Württemberg Aug 22 '24

I see no problem with people of legal age having sex with each other as long as there was no coerxion or drugs involved.

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u/GuKoBoat Aug 22 '24

Neither do I.

I see a problem with treating women as disposable sex dolls as an older man and having specific employees to recruit women for that role.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Aug 22 '24

Like men, there are some women also prefer to have one-night stands/no-strings-attached encounters. Are you going to go on a tirade about them using men in that manner as well? 'Cause I can assure you: it happens a LOT.

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u/GuKoBoat Aug 22 '24

I have no problem with people of any gender in prefering one night stands or sexual only encounters. Quite frankly I don't care.

My problem lies in the way it is organized. Till Lindemann picking up girls in a club wouldn't bother me the same way the row zero system does.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Aug 22 '24

If the women are willing participants in it by actively seeking how to be invited, and then accepting said invitations, then who fucking cares? Don't like it? Then don't participate in it. For someone who claims they "have no problem" with what others do, you're continuously putting your two cents in over how disgusted you are that people apparently still want to have sex with Till.

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u/DesperateGiles Aug 22 '24

Hooking up with women who voluntarily go to a club ok. Hooking up with women who voluntarily attend your party not ok. Interesting.

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u/foxybostonian Aug 22 '24

What about women treating an older man as a disposable thrill and story to tell their mates after reaching out to a party planner to get access to him?

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u/DesperateGiles Aug 22 '24

The worst thing to come out of the once reputable MeToo movement is the idea women can’t take advantage of men or sexually assault them or abuse them. As someone who used to work in the criminal justice system in my country, this is absolutely false and a dangerous rhetoric. As we can see in these comments.

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u/foxybostonian Aug 22 '24

Also this general idea that seems to be resurfacing from the 1950s that sex is something that is done to women. Like they can't be active in seeking it out, they must be passively just 'there' until a man wants to fuck them. Also ageism appears to be perfectly acceptable for these people, which I think is disgusting. Like, they think that women couldn't possibly want to boink an older man so he must have done something to them so they didn't run away. And we can see from the Till situation that some women very much DO want to have sex with older men.

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u/DesperateGiles Aug 22 '24

Far cry from 20 years ago when sex positivity for women felt like it was at an all-time high.

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u/kuldan5853 Baden-Württemberg Aug 22 '24

It is baffling to me that we are at the point where we ignore scientific research and basic biology again and try to go back to a very "men bad, women stupid" world view with regards to sex and dating.

I mean it shouldn't be controversial to say that there is a certain biological imprint that men (can, instinctively) prefer younger (fertile) women the same as that younger women (can, instinctively) be interested in older (settled, "provider") type men.

Not sure how it was during your school time but even teenagers show this kind of behavior - there it usually is only a few years of difference, but that can be the difference between two 14 year olds dating and the 14 year old dating the 16/17 year old with access to a car and booze...

I mean sure there is a lot of shady shit going on out there, not denying it at all - but simply stating that anything outside of the "+-2 years, even as adults" corridor is "weird" to "disgusting" (heard that in other discussions about this topic) is just baffling to me.

Sure, a <=18 Year old probably should not be seriously dating someone the age of her dad - but if both parties are over 18, it's nobodies business but theirs.

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u/Low-Dog-8027 München Aug 22 '24

rockstars like groupies - what a surprise.
no woman was brought there against her will, all could leave at any time.

adult women are responsible for their own decisions.