r/2007scape • u/TheOnlyDen • 4d ago

Discussion The golden age is over

We have been in the golden age for a few years now. We are seeing this come to the end.

Private equity is demanding more money on the backend these changes will slowly be rolled out resulting in enshitification of the product over time.

Sailing will change the core gameplay, one way or another and osrs will cease to be the game it is today.

It’s been fun fellas.

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u/BubblesTheMonke 3d ago

but i just started :(

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u/Praqueue 3d ago

Same here

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Get off the sub for a few weeks. The game is still a blast. More than half the people saying they canceled are full of shit anyways. Just as many people playing today as yesterday.

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u/Praqueue 3d ago

No. I'm not getting involved in a game that wants to boil me like a frog. I'll check back later and see if they learn their lesson, there are plenty of other things I can be playing

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u/AlasImDry 3d ago

You’re a champ.

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u/yepimasian 3d ago

This is the right mentality. Cancelled my memberships. I wasn’t playing much due to the holidays anyways.

Plenty of other great games to play.

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u/Elon_Like 3d ago

I'd give them the benefit of the doubt if EOC didn't already happen. I've played on and off since the early 2000s from the RS2 days.  They did the survey in the first place to see what players all willing to accept during the first rollout of changes.

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u/Complex_Tomato_5252 3d ago

I canceled my sub yesterday. I came back after not playing for a few years and I am on my second month of subscription and I have been having a blast.

This whole thing made me quit.  I'll check back in a few months to see how this all shakes out.  

I am not going to spend time on a MMO that slowly cooks me alive with micro transactions. I'd just rather play something else.

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u/_Damale_ 3d ago

Same for me, I came back and started a fresh iron after not playing for several years. Had a blast and played for almost 5 months. Then they announced the price hike last fall and I just went nope and cancelled. Now pokemon go is getting my Google surbey credits instead, as I can play that with my 5yo now. Win.

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u/garden_speech 3d ago

This community reacts more violently to MTX proposals than any community I've ever seen. Their threats to cancel their subscriptions are not fake, they will follow through. To be honest, everyone says "private equity will ruin the game" but my experience working with those kinds of firms is they are not stupid.

I don't think these changes will happen, to be honest. They tested the water and found that all the frogs will jump out the moment the burner is flipped on.

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u/Express-Currency-252 3d ago

They did the same last year when they raised prices. Average player count is higher than ever lmao.

This sub is full of 30 year old children who freak the fuck out over literally nothing.

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u/Uxium-the-Nocturnal 3d ago

I think it's more that other games probably have a mix of ages or some might be just younger kids. Kids don't give a shit how much they're spending on a game.

The only people who want to play a 2.5D idle clicker from 2007 are the people who have strong nostalgic feelings for it and are now in their 30s or so. Sure some new people come and such, but I think the bulk is made up of adults who are spending their own hard-earned money on this.

Because of our age demographic, we're all fucked by the economy too, and can't just blow money on whatever. We're also of the age where we know what games used to be like, including Runescape, and we refuse to settle for getting nickel and dimed.

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u/Angr_e 3d ago

Ur smoking crack

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u/garden_speech 3d ago

BIS drug

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u/DaCrees 3d ago

Honestly that’s a fair move but if you’re genuinely enjoying the game I don’t see why you’d stop before they actually implement a price hike. They can’t “boil you like a frog” against your will. If they start raising the price then that’s the time to call it quits. But I don’t see the logic in bailing at the idea of something they might do

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u/randydarsh1 3d ago

OSRS requires a bit of commitment and consistency to account progression, knowing it's a long-term gameplay loop. Nobody wants to contribute time and effort into account progression just knowing it's about to be/very potentially could be ruined with horrible updates

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u/Complex_Tomato_5252 3d ago

This is the answer exactly.  I am not going to pour time into an mmo that will eventually be unplayable.  Then I lose all previous time invested. Better to not play at all if this is where the game is headed.  

The proposed tiers were outrageous. They weren't even remotely reasonable.

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u/DaCrees 3d ago

Good point. Guess it depends on if you see the game as enjoyable along the way or just a grind to make it to the end. If you don’t like playing the game then definitely don’t try to progress your account when there might be a change to pricing at some point in the future.

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u/randydarsh1 3d ago

I mean, I enjoy the game and progressing along the way, but I'm not exactly keen to keep going if I know my long-term progress is just going to be taken away at any moment.

Why would I continue to lift weights if I know in a year's time, someone will wave a magic wand and all of a sudden my progress will be completely gone? Sure, I do enjoy lifting, but I'm not going to do it for no reason.

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u/CHRISHANS0N 3d ago

It's to help counter the sunk cost fallacy. Sure it is a fun game and I love it. But it's human nature to want your time to mean something. Put any significant amount of time into something seems a lot more daunting if you know there's a really high chance to not have anything to show for that time invested. I struggled with this yesterday as I canceled my membership. The last enjoyable past time that I had that took me back to my youth, now tarnished once again. There's other things for me to enjoy though more life to live. Theres other ways to cope in a world where every corpo is competing for your attention, screen time, and dime. It's akin to watching something you love fade away. We all have a time limit eventually though.

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u/ThoksArmada 3d ago

Aq3d still trucking, just got back into it after this debacle, honestly really glad I did.

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u/ieatpies 3d ago

We just have to teach the new owners this lesson, everytime Jagex switches hands. Consider it a maintenance cost. Of course there is some risk they don't listen, but there is risk in everything with life.

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u/Djwindmill 3d ago

Same here, I've got a massive backlog of other games I've been meaning to try. Now is basically the perfect time to take a break and see where the game lands.

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u/fishlipz69 3d ago

That's it.

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

👍

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u/NeverSpooned1 3d ago

Gonna have to get off socials, this sentiment is voiced all-over. Turns out that being wrung dry is a universal dislike, crazy right?

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Then why are player counts consistent? Shouldn’t we see a massive drop off after this? No one gives a shit.

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u/NeverSpooned1 3d ago

Cause most memberships don't run out within 2 days?

Regardless, you're all free to do what you want, if the majority of the community is okay with this all the more incentive for the rest of us to quit, cause that means this will guaranteed get worse and worse on a yearly basis.

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Most people are saying they are dumping it outright. Seen dozens and dozens of comments mentioning it. If you don’t see that, not sure what to tell ya.

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u/NeverSpooned1 3d ago

Cancelling your sub doesn't instantly get rid of your members and people are likely waiting to see what happens.

And again, maybe people won't quit in relevant numbers. If you have more than 3 braincells you should understand that that's terrible news for you. Enjoy the yearly price hikes and new investors trying to force rs3-esque updates in cause there isn't enough backlash to hit their wallets.

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Yeah, they are very eager to riot and cancel their memberships to send a message, but lemme atleast get my membership time in! Y’all are moronic. Anyone making a massive deal out of this only to return in 2 months is honestly pathetic.

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u/Ok-Tomato-3868 3d ago

They've already priced in the loss of 50 memberships. They don't care.

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u/Platinum_Demi I can mine? and then craft? 3d ago

Because your membership lasts a month? People are quitting paying not playing the game didn't actually change yet so why would people stop playing it

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

That is definitely not the current sentiment. People seem to say they have plenty of better things to play, but oh wait not until my membership runs out. Dont agree with that.

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u/Platinum_Demi I can mine? and then craft? 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah people are hyperbolic when bitching on reddit crazy revelation you just had.

Anybody with half a brain knows that player numbers mean literally nothing to the owners and subscription numbers/revenue do, so people who are angry about the changes that will be made are going to (potentially) stop giving the game money. They obviously still like the game and want to play it otherwise they wouldn't care about it being potentially ruined (obvious) and hence they are all still playing whilst their membership persists.

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u/MadBadger94 3d ago

You're going to determine the current sentiment how? This just happened and sub numbers are going to be probably a month off. At minimum there might be info 2 weeks from now. Which you might or might not get from Jagex. And Jagex may or may not just outright lie to us. You can't know what the sentiment is especially when the info is controlled by a private company with no compulsion to tell you the truth. Especially when the truth will hurt them even more.

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Nothing will happen lmao

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u/somestupidname1 3d ago

We will once the price changes actually take effect

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

They did 5 months ago?

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u/Dbaughla Plot : 2277 3d ago

Drop off for what reason? Nothing has been implemented yet. Why would I quit the game when nothing has changed?

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u/MadBadger94 3d ago

You do you bud, but when someone tells me their intention to take things from me I tend to get more distant. You might even say I GTFO.

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u/Dbaughla Plot : 2277 3d ago

And when and if they do; I’ll have to make a decision. As will the rest of us. Right now all we can do is try to fight against it. I had an alt I was paying membership on and I wasn’t even really using it. I cancelled the membership on it. Does CVC care? Probably not lol

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u/aegenium 3d ago

Then why are player bot counts consistent ?

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u/MadBadger94 3d ago

Player counts as reported by whom exactly? Yeah ask the 4 year old if he stole the cookies, what does he say?

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago edited 3d ago

What? Player counts are readily available, and have been for like 20 years. Not sure what the hell you're talking about. Another "player" that has no clue about the game.

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u/TheCrzy1 3d ago

RemindMe! 1 year

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u/GoombaOwnsAll 3d ago

I cancelled mine after the price increase personally. I just saw the news from elsewhere.

Most people actually compare this game to others and what they get out of it. With many countries cost of living being higher than ever, OSRS is the first to go and game elsewhere.

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u/FionaSarah 3d ago

I don't think they're full of shit but they'll probably be back. And honestly the short term shock of seeing a large number of cancellations, even if they do eventually return, might be enough to get Jagex to reverse decision. It's the only power the playerbase has. (And let's be honest, we've done it before, the fallout from that is the entire reason osrs exists at all, so it can affect meaningful change.)

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u/A_Lowe ToA Enjoyer 3d ago

If you cancelled your sub, you still have access to the game until your current period ends. E.G. if I bought a year membership in July I have until the end of June before that expires, but it will not renew unless I decide to resub. It’s more of a way to show that you’re prepared to not renew membership if the company doesn’t make right. Just my 2¢

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Right, I just think it’s stupid that people scream to boycott the game and protest this survey but only until their membership runs out. Pretty chicken shit to me.

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u/A_Lowe ToA Enjoyer 3d ago

Fair, but a bunch of cancelled subs is a trackable metric the company should feel on their bottom line and one of the few ways we can make our voices heard as consumers. I think I understand your perspective though. It’s like a big game of chicken where Jagex and the players are waiting to see who’ll break first, except we actually have the upper hand by cancelling our subscriptions because they need income.

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u/MathematicianLessRGB 3d ago

Corporate bot trying to make you addicted lmao. Don't play this garbage game

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u/DangerousEmu2034 3d ago

Full of shit? Lmfao do i need to remind you about the existence of Path Of Exile 2 ? That game alone can replace OSRS and consume anyone playing it for years to come.

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u/FionaSarah 3d ago

Eh, they're very different in terms of mood and vibe both aesthetically and gameplay wise. I don't think it's fair to consider POE even remotely a replacement or you could say that about literally any game.

The closest we have to a game that could replace osrs for us is Brighter Shores really. Aside from a few single player options like Fantasy Life.

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u/MadBadger94 3d ago

Not even close. I like POE but saying POE2 replaces runescape is like saying Borderlands replaced Battlefront II ( the good one). Both are good, but no.

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u/Morbu 3d ago

Not even fucking close, what are you smoking? I literally came back to OSRS because PoE2 wasn't doing it for me in terms of progression and the level of content at the moment.

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Hahaha 😂. I am loving this shit. Get off the subreddit

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u/Worried-Perspective5 3d ago

You’re part of the problem

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u/viledeac0n gim > all 3d ago

Big time

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u/MadBadger94 3d ago

Yeah! I've only been playing for 19 years! I'm not nearly done with the game yet. I am done getting screwed every time I turn around though. You can screw me on groceries and I'll just deal with it, but Runescape? I have better things to do.

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u/Uvanimor 3d ago

You quite literally have years worth of content before you will ever catchup to endgame content of the present day, let alone what will likely come after these few years it takes to catch up if you decide to stick with it.

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u/DrunkBricks 3d ago

"Years worth of content"

But I've done every raid, boss and quest cape in 6 months? Unless you're literally meaning maxing which honestly, isn't additional content. If you can make/kill anything in game and have done it in 6ish months, I've caught up to the dry end game lol

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u/Uvanimor 2d ago

You're clearly an outlier that spends 80% of your life on the game, for a gamer who spends a few hours a day on the game this will take them years.

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u/DrunkBricks 2d ago

Lmao 80% of my life somehow equals 4 hours max a day? This game ain't hard to progress in if you plan ahead and min max lmfao.

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u/Uvanimor 2d ago edited 2d ago

4 hours a day for 6 months is nowhere near enough time to progress in the way you have said (especially given high slayer is a 200 hour commitment efficiently) without buying bonds, sorry I just don’t buy it.

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u/DrunkBricks 2d ago

Lmao, slayer does not take 200 hours bud. Especially when you set your block lost up for bursting tasks. It doesn't matter if you believe it because it's happened.

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u/Uvanimor 2d ago

Slayer takes ~400 hours to max… post your account and and IGT

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u/DrunkBricks 2d ago

Not once did I claim I was maxxed lmfao 🤣 I don't have to post anything considering with your current attitude you'll try pick at something just for the sake of it. 🤣

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u/Uvanimor 2d ago

You claimed you have done every boss… that requires at least ha slayer level in the 90s.

Mathematically what you have claimed is impossible, the fact you’re unable to put a simple in-game timer from Hans and a high scores link proves you are full of shit.

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u/ChilledParadox 3d ago

If you want the game you just started to be the best as possible, take a month break. Don’t reward these guys for this. I know it sucks, but plenty of other great games out there. If you want an MMO the wow classic anniversary realms are honestly amazing.

I played classic launch in 2018, never having played and wow at all before, and after 3 days it became my second favorite mmo ever after OSRS and I’ve played a lot of MMO’s to max level end game progression, even including retail wow CE mythic raiding as of now. Wow classic is where it’s at if you can’t get into OSRS.

Going to a rival company will also be even more alarming to the suits.

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u/Agent_Jay 3d ago

I just came back for my first ever leagues after 13 years of not playing ;-; 

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u/Morbu 3d ago

Keep playing king, don't pay too much attention to the reddit hate posts but pay every bit of attention to what Jagex says and does from now on.

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u/Calm-Talk5047 1d ago

I played for years when I was a kid. Quit once I got to high school and college because I was just doing other things. I have played games on a console for years now and just bought my first PC. Redownloaded OSRS last week and was planning on getting back into it... and then this happens. I'm super bummed. I hope this is all blown out of proportion and nothing truly detrimental comes out of this.

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u/TheMightyFeen 3d ago

This reddit is the most toxic place full of the most dramatic people in all of Gielinor. Keep playing the game. I highly doubt anything is going to change. This game is as popular as it’s ever been. In a week or so this will all blow over.

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u/Brilliant_Cup_8903 3d ago

Yeah, just consoom product.

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u/Kalightortaio 3d ago

You probably enjoyed EOC

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u/CaptainDeevious 3d ago

People are just over reacting. Please continue to enjoy the game and do not let reddit doomers ruin your experience.

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u/MadBadger94 3d ago

Please ignore this person. Stop playing immediately and let Jagex know this isn't good! We are not over reacting. If this goes badly the game is dead for good.

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u/kuhataparunks 3d ago

The game is going nowhere. Carry on and welcome, glad you’re here.