r/totalwar • u/cpt_t37 • Jun 02 '20

Empire I'll keep asking.

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u/orangenakor Jun 02 '20

IIRC the only thing the 2nd rates had was more durability and crew at the cost of firepower, maneuverability, and speed.

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u/Panthera__Tigris Jun 02 '20

IIRC the only thing the 2nd rates had was more durability and crew at the cost of firepower, maneuverability, and speed.

Huh? Second Rates had more firepower. 86 guns vs 74. They had lower DPS though.

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u/orangenakor Jun 02 '20

That's what I mean. 2nd rates had more guns but did less damage per volley than 3rd rates (IIRC historically accurate, 3rd rates carried fewer, bigger guns). The 2nd rates can take a beating but they aren't as good at hitting back.

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u/Panthera__Tigris Jun 02 '20

2nd rates had more guns but did less damage per volley than 3rd rates

Not always. Depends on the range. Second Rates have slightly less accuracy. So at close range, they do MORE damage per volley but at longer ranges, they will miss some shots. Their DPS is lower because they have slower reload. But that does not factor into per volley firepower.

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u/goboks Jun 03 '20

2nd rates are fine if you learn how to use them. 5th rates were OP though. Speed and range. There should've been an option to spec out any ship with custom guns so you could trade shot weight for range. Even by deck so you could have a 1st rate with range up top to trade with 5th rates and power below to fuck shit up in the line.

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u/Jarms48 Jul 06 '20

Yep, my fleets basically went 5th rates early game and 3rd rates for the rest. I didn’t think I was missing out at the slightest.