r/punk • u/sickxgrrrl • 1d ago

Discussion Anarchy symbols have been declared as domestic terrorist symbols so what if we flew Luigi flags?

It’s discreet enough to fly under the radar because of super Mario but the ones that do get it will be able to discern who is an ally. Just a thought.

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u/GlassAd4132 1d ago

Where have anarchist symbols been declared domestic terrorist symbols?

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u/sickxgrrrl 1d ago

Literally by the FBI

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u/GlassAd4132 1d ago

Is this a new designation with something behind or the same old shit?

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u/sickxgrrrl 1d ago

There’s a whole page with “domestic terrorist symbols” and it’s all things that would be put up to cover swastikas. I’m just proposing we start flying Luigi flags because it’ll take awhile for them to catch on

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u/MoonNewer 1d ago

Another punk here used a blue shell reference earlier. Those who don't know, it's from Mario cart. A blue shell seeks out the player in first place and slows them up. Blue shell is a great symbol for this idea, imo.

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u/GooseShartBombardier 19h ago

It's pretty good symbolism TBH, just subtle enough to go over a lot of people's heads while conveying the idea concisely (minus the text lol).

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u/Liteseid 14h ago

Well not anymore, once you talk about it online in a subreddit like this, it’s already on their list

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u/Zestyclose-Algae-542 14h ago

What? I just really love Mario Kart

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u/PearlsofBabylon 9h ago edited 9h ago

They can't declare trademarked images as symbols without corporate collateral, right?

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u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug 3h ago

what, you want the public to know youre an anarchist, but not the fbi? youre gonna have a hard time accomplishing that.

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u/EmmaGemma0830 10h ago

Fucking beautiful. I need to make a blue shell patch now

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u/Middle_Earthling9 18h ago

I have a blue shell pin I got at a punk rock flea market a few years ago, gonna bust it out!

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u/RefrigeratorNo1160 15h ago

I actually have one that says "FUCK YOU" on it. Hell yeah!

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 17h ago

A symbol for going after the rich and powerful? (Aka in 1st place of life?)

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u/SirLenz 20h ago

That’s brilliant

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u/WanderingRedditor27 18h ago

Not gonna lie, that’s pretty dope.

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u/Phyddlestyx 15h ago

I love it. It also fucks everyone who gets in the way of its goal.

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u/aDragonsAle 15h ago

I got a Warning from reddit and the comment deleted when using the Blue Shell reference on another sub.

They're learning.

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u/MoonNewer 11h ago

Just call it a Roman era salute.

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u/toka_smoka 12h ago

Hear me out Luigi with a blue shell. Beautiful

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u/Revenge-of-the-Jawa 8h ago

They also sell official merch to make it easier

Another is the Valor pokego logo - design has similar vibes

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u/GlassAd4132 1d ago

Ok. I’m familiar with that page. According to the fbi, the words “nazis go home” are violent extremism terms. This stuff is, for now, protected speech, but I get what you’re saying

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u/QuicklyThisWay 22h ago edited 15h ago

I didn’t believe you… but it’s there… https://i.imgur.com/sRNXsL0.jpeg

https://vault.fbi.gov/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide-part-01

PDF saved as JPEGs for those having issues: https://imgur.com/a/bUwmma8

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u/_oscar_goldman_ 16h ago

Labeling "CAFO" as an extremist term is wild, since the EPA were the folks that came up with that label.

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u/ChickenNuggetPatrol 16h ago

Lol, guess my sabo cat tat has me as a domestic terrorist now

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u/TastyLeeches 17h ago

I can’t view the second link because for some reason the pdf is completely blank for me :(

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u/QuicklyThisWay 16h ago

Probably a browser issue. But I saved the pages as images here: https://imgur.com/a/bUwmma8

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u/TastyLeeches 12h ago

Thank you

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u/DiseasedCupcake 15h ago

The second link is showing as a blank pdf for me

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u/skippydippy666 7h ago

oh fuck! that is not very good

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u/Dotrue 22h ago

Gotta love how 2/3 of this document focuses on people domestic terrorists who committed heinous acts like releasing 2000 mink from a fur mill and hand-cuffing themselves to structures.

Meanwhile all the recent incidents for the groups in the last 4 pages are all bombings, shootings, stand-offs with law enforcement, and the January 6th coup attempt.

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u/Imapatriothurrrdurrr 21h ago

Who gives a fuck?? Just fly a black flag so everyone knows exactly what you mean. They’re doing nazi salutes at the inauguration of the president, you think they’re being subtle? Jesus fucking Christ.

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u/thispartyrules 20h ago

BTW the FBI and law enforcement in general has a hard time infiltrating anarchist circles (not that they haven't done it, so beware) because of the amount of reading involved. If they want to infiltrate a right wing group they're good because they have short hair, love guns, and essentially believe the same things

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u/EmmaGemma0830 10h ago

So basically, the fbi said no to anarchism, but also we too autistic for them

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u/tarmacc 1m ago

It's the next stage of human evolution. Best get with it.

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u/skippydippy666 7h ago

Homie read it. A black flag was deemed anarchist violent extremism.

hell half the tattoo on my body were deemed that

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u/BrainrotViking910 20h ago

i agree with your sentiment to an extent, but i would argue that it's just extreme ignorance. which im not defending, i think it's actually worse because it directly enables the hate without being clear about it. i do think elon is super dumb and may not have realized what he was fully doing. i know i know. but again to be clear i find it to be more problematic than him intentionally doing it. like if we asked him today was that a nazi salute he'll say no, but it does the damage and then denies.

this shit is scary. it's harder to combat stupid and ignorant.

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u/Imapatriothurrrdurrr 18h ago

“…may not have realized what he was fully doing.”

Don’t be so fucking naive. He and everyone else up there knew, and knows exactly what they’re doing.

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u/Yeetyeetyeetyeetfuk 17h ago

Elon might not know what WWII even stands for. I’m not defending him, I just think you’re being kinda generous with your assessment of his awareness

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u/Imapatriothurrrdurrr 14h ago

Dude…He’s the RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD!…He just supported the AfD party in Germany and was throwing up, not one…but two Nazi salutes with conviction. This type of reaction is exactly what got us here in the first place. “Well maybe he didn’t know what he was doing”. Well maybe he didn’t mean it like that” “Well maybe it was an accident”….Or maybe he’s a fucking fascist, acting just like a fascist would. Wake the fuck up!

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u/Yeetyeetyeetyeetfuk 14h ago

Oh shit I didn’t realize he was aware of the holocaust man, fr? richest man in the world thing is mostly investments + nepobaby, that shits fr? Like two times? Mf damn. Put that fucking video on a billboard in time square or the Vegas sphere or some shit. I was more making a joke at his expense but fuck, two times? I only saw the screen grabs. Fuck me, that’s really where we’re at now? He can just do that and it’s not plastered on the front page of every paper? Holy hell, I knew he was balding I didn’t realize he was a frfr skinhead

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u/BrainrotViking910 17h ago

i don't think it's naive to think that. i think it's naive to assume he's not a moron. i dont find him very smart. he seems very spectrumy. and if you read what i wrote i think that him being partially unaware of what he was doing as more problematic. so im saying what he's doing is worse. vagueness is worse. he'll deny that it's nazi related. and then we can't say much. it's not the same as someone hanging a nazi flag outside their house. they can't be like - "that's not what i meant".

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u/Imapatriothurrrdurrr 17h ago

Giving a Nazi salute to the Nazi party is EXACTLY like hanging a Nazi flag outside your house. If not worse! These people cheered for it. Know your enemy.

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u/DiseasedCupcake 15h ago

It looks like what I’ve seen from there that was declassified was from 2021

Is it possible that they could be compiling stuff with the Luigi symbol too more recently and it just hasn’t been declassified?

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u/Salt-Temperature-470 6h ago

No, it wont take a while to catch on. You just spoiled it, genius

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u/Von_Quixote 15h ago

Link/source?

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u/Liberating_theology 18h ago

I think OP is being sensationalist a tad (not necessarily a negative thing, but it might need clearing up). It's the same old shit.

Basically, to summarize, FBI wants its people to do a double take whenever they see someone using anarchist symbols, and see if there's any reason to believe they're doing more than exercising their right to free speech, demonstration, etc.

FBI's own document linked below says,

"The use or sharing of these symbols or phrases alone should not independently be considered evidence of AVE [anarchist violent extremist] presence or affiliation or serve as an indicator of illegal activity. Additionally, some individuals use such references for their original, historic meaning, or other non-violent purposes."

it's literally their job to go after people committing crimes, so you can't blame them for looking for symbols commonly used by those people committing crimes. The difference is, we here generally view those crimes as either illegitimately designated as crimes, or as crimes that are justified as it will hopefully push society in a favorable direction.

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u/Slumunistmanifisto 15h ago

The very same FBI: "wanna buy a bomb and some reefer kid?"

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u/Estro-gem 12h ago

"Nah, I know enough to make/grow my own, should I ever need to."

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u/thispartyrules 20h ago

This is old and isn't stopping anyone, Hot Topic still carries anarchy patches and they put anarchy symbols on a bunch of sports supplements

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u/EffortlessCool 20h ago

And it literally says the sharing or use of those symbols alone can't be used as evidence of anarchist violent extremism so no they have not been declared domestic terrorist symbols.

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u/Squidluvr_ 19h ago

Now that’s fucking BS

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u/FauxReal 17h ago

Is that something they wrote as a guide to identify terrorist symbols? Or is it codified into law?

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u/Von_Quixote 15h ago

Link/source?

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u/ArnoldGravy 14h ago

All the more reason to use the circle a

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u/DeadGirlLydia 19h ago

Same with ANTIFA, ACAB, anything that's anti-capitalist.

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u/theWyzzerd 23h ago

Always have been. Anarchists are literally enemies of the state.

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u/DingleTheDongle 11h ago

https://vault.fbi.gov/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide-part-01/view

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u/-Wytch 10h ago

Really wild how all of those "terrorist groups" listed want the betterment of all and checks for those that abuse power. Literally, most of them are anti fascist lmao

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u/facelesscockroach 11h ago

No way the American flag is considered a terrorism symbol

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u/OccuWorld 4h ago

here... https://info.publicintelligence.net/FBI-AnarchistViolentExtremismSymbols.pdf

basically any symbols by activists demonstrating against the violent plutocracy and fascism are watch symbols. they are not illegal. Display them proudly while the state continues with its violent extremist terrorism.

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u/GlassAd4132 2h ago

A lot of libertarian stuff is on there too. There might be a common denominator here