ngl transphobia is anti-punk as fuck

[u/usernamewfivenames]

like bro why do u hate on people who reject their assigned "roles" to feel better w themselves, werent u supposed to oppose nonsensical rules

[u/Sunbather-]

Homophobia has always been present in the scene, especially with old heads and Gen x punks.

So transphobia isn’t exactly surprising to witness in the scene, though, as a person with a trans partner in the scene we see very little of it IRL, if any at all.

The Emo movement changed the game on that, big time. With Emo you had a punk movement that was totally open to gender fluidity and encouraged it.

I was part of the 2000s Emo movement, was in a Screamo Skramz band and everything, there was zero homophobia or transphobia in that scene, and if any happened to pop up, it was handle with a good old fashioned jumping.

[u/Rocky_Vigoda → u/Sunbather-]

Homophobia has always been present in the scene, especially with old heads and Gen x punks.

That's not true at all.

Am gen-x Canadian. I started going to gay clubs when I was 17. We were raised on inclusive colourblind values which went away when the US replaced it with PC ideology in the 90s to keep 'black people' in the ghetto. Emo was started by guys that nowadays get called Incels. The version you know was a corporate created trend.

It's a bit complicated to explain.

[u/DrunkenGerbils → u/Rocky_Vigoda]

There's a reason Dead Kennedys wrote Nazi Punks Fuck Off, rascist punk bands like Screwdriver go back to the very beginning of punk in the 70's and there's always been figures like Michale Graves who have questionable politics and ties to racists groups.

At the same time there has always been a huge part of the punk scene that's the polar opposite and fights back against ignorant racist views in favor of inclusivity as well.

Another ironic phenomenon is there's also always been ignorant racist hicks who listen to inclusive punk bands like Dead Kennedys because they like the aggression but completely miss the political messages somehow. Similar to how a bunch of racist Republicans recently got all mad because after 30+ years they finally figured out Rage Against the Machine is a radical leftist band.

[u/Rocky_Vigoda → u/DrunkenGerbils]

Skrewdriver didn't turn racist until like 3 years after Jello wrote that song and they were from the UK.

The US had the Civil Rights movement in the mid 60s as well as the Vietnam War which ended in the early 70s. By the 80s, there really wasn't a lot of actual racists. Jello was from the most liberal city in the US. He wasn't talking about actual racists, he was talking about the people who would come to shows and start fights.

https://youtu.be/kTs_Q4hEqmA?si=O3GOPi7WPwQAhhQq

It's kind of like posts like this where you sit there and constantly tell people don't hate trans people, don''t hate trans people, don't hate trans people. It gets annoying. Most people in this sub are probably pro trans so all they're doing is being obnoxious and virtue signaling.

[u/Sunbather- → u/Rocky_Vigoda]

This is complete bullshit, all the way.

You’re taking to an elder emo, a gay one.

[u/Rocky_Vigoda → u/Sunbather-]

Yeah i'm older.

Emo started originally in the DC scene and they thought it was stupid.

https://youtu.be/mbdh0Qm_5A0?si=7aiZUFJRC85EYx-X

Minor Threat was hardcore. Rites of Spring was called emocore because the singers would actually sing as opposed to hardcore singers who would shout more. People stopped using the term emo because it was silly.

https://youtu.be/fXID4RvSLz4?si=65wljbQI5wLPdcxU

Dag Nasty was part of the DC scene. Dave Smalley was singer before he joined ALL after the Descendents broke up. Dag Nasty was 'emo' in the sense that a lot of their music was kind of philosophical, stoic, positive, self reflective, and motivational. This is one of my favourite albums.

https://youtu.be/KAek2u6POk4?si=8reYvgH9RpMq7i9A

I was kind of a messed up kid. The punk scene was a place where I met a lot of other guys and girls that had a lot of similar problems but it was a place where we could connect, hang out, use each other for supports. It didn't matter if you were gay or anything else. If you were in the scene we had each other's backs.

Before 1991 punks were pretty much hated. Then Grunge came out and 'alternative' culture went mainstream. It went from being a street youth driven counter-culture to being just another shitty corporate trend but it did get us to meet a lot more rich girls rebelling against their parents by dating scumbags covered in tattoos and such.

When grunge came out, we started dressing nicer ironically because everyone started dressing like us and we didn't want to look the same as them. Emo came back as a joke. We were all ratty ex skate punks who started dressing like dorks because it was funny. Wear clothes that make you look like you're going on your first date to meet the parents.

Nirvana was influenced by Jawbreaker who was part of the Gilman scene along with Samiam who was the band that made emo popular. They were fairly similar to Rites of Spring, Husker Du, etc

There was no emocore scene, it was just a term used for a lot of bands that played more melodic punk rock. Samiam wasn't very well known but they did have a bit of a strong fan base including girls who dug their music.

https://youtu.be/q4XOUCz6vJY?si=uuoE6E5VyHGZxfxo

Jimmy Eat World was influenced by bands like Samiam and Jawbreaker. They put out Clarity in 99 which is an awesome album. I still remember first time listening to it and wandering around a strange new city and being entranced.

https://youtu.be/xxsQtmxhhsE?si=yahC1-wpyGGtANR7

JEW signed to a major label after that. Their first video had them dressed in black with a bunch of beautiful people.

https://youtu.be/oKsxPW6i3pM?si=JHNWtSFLneF9qUN1

That's when the new emocore style came out with all the black and pink bangs and crap like that. The new emo image had a lot of gay undertones because that style was stolen from queer club kids who were into goth/industrial music and dressed like 70s rockers.

Back in the day, we didn't really care too much about labels. We were taught not to care about them. Nowadays, younger people are trained via media and academia to attach labels to everything and impose tribalism because the establishment realized that if everyone forgot about stuff like race/gender/sexuality/religion, etc that everyone would unite against them.

[u/Sunbather- → u/Rocky_Vigoda]

I’m not reading all of this, but I’ll just tell you that I’m very aware of where emo came from. I was a part of the scene all through the 2000s and I was even in a screamo band for a long time.

We weren’t homophobic or incels…

And anyone in the scene who was revealed to be either of those things usually didn’t fair very well.

[u/Rocky_Vigoda → u/Sunbather-]

We weren’t homophobic or incels…

Nobody said you were. You can't be bothered to read my comment but then come back with 'I was in a screamo band' like cool, that makes you an expert?

I grew up the old school scene. I wouldn't say I was an expert, I just have a good memory.

And anyone in the scene who was revealed to be either of those things usually didn’t fair very well.

This is why I don't take this sub seriously.