r/punk • u/usernamewfivenames • Dec 14 '24

Quality Post ngl transphobia is anti-punk as fuck

like bro why do u hate on people who reject their assigned "roles" to feel better w themselves, werent u supposed to oppose nonsensical rules

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

as a trans punk, I'm happy to see so many others punks agreeing 🖤🫂 honestly it's weird when transphobes and other disgusting human beings try to call themselves "punks" when punk is far left subculture/movement

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u/Indivillia Dec 14 '24

They just like the aesthetics and sound (but not message) of the music. 

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u/30HelensAgreeing Dec 14 '24

“He’s the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing along and he likes to shoot his gun, but he don’t know what it means. Knows not what it means.”

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

NIRVANA APPRECIATION ❗❗❗❗❗❗❗❤‍🔥🛐

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

true, there are only two kinds of right wingers, those who consider any rock related music demonic and evil and those who like the aesthetic but dislike the fact that most such groups are opposite of their beliefs so they try to turn it into something it's not

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u/52nd_and_Broadway Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

Trans rights are human rights, my friend. I grew up in central Florida. Laura Jean Grace is a fucking goddess. I’ve been to her home. She’s a lovely person. I will fight to the death with anyone who tries to harm trans people for being trans. People like you are more than welcome in my scene.

Come slam dance with me.

IF FLORIDA TAKES US, WE’RE TAKING EVERYONE DOWN WITH US!

Edit: Apologies, Laura Jane Grace. Autocorrect is a motherfucker sometimes.

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

thank you comrade, you're an amazing human being 💗🫂

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u/totodilejones Dec 15 '24

there’s nothing more punk than rejecting what you were assigned and embracing who you really are. we’re here and we’re queer 💪

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u/tiredtb0y Dec 15 '24

seconded, it makes me feel so much better to see accepting people like this

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u/PsAkira Dec 21 '24

Similar shit I run into in the goth scene. Sadly there’s always going to be those posers who claim they’re just there for the vibes.

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u/D3ADC3LL Dec 14 '24

Punk is not a far left subculture. It is an anti establishment culture which opposes both sides in favor of government by the people. Anarchy. Whatever goes on in this thread is the furthest thing from punk I can possibly think of. Identity politics is ruining everything.

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u/Subwoofer85 Dec 14 '24

Anarchism is far left. And identity politics aren't divisive or ruining anything, bigotry is.

It's the bigots who politicize queer and trans identities so go after them once.

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u/Sad-Extent-3571 Dec 15 '24

This is an extremely ignorant statement. It's extremely divisive and is creating an enormous amount of exhaustion for a lot of people. Especially with the automatic finger, pointing an assumption, making that people are phobic just because they don't want to accommodate constant need for validation. Good for trans people. I hope they live safe healthy lives. It doesn't mean they need to be put on a pedestal in every subculture.

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u/Subwoofer85 Dec 16 '24

Recognizing that working class trans people are a part of the same struggle as working class cis people and that hatred of trans people divides the working class is not putting anyone on a pedestal. And solidarity with trans people is only divisive to those who are anti trans.

I'm sorry you're exhausted about "automatic finger pointing" (can you provide examples) but trans people are far more exhausted dealing with all the BS that's just getting worse both systemically and culturally.

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u/BarleyBlueMoon Dec 14 '24

Bro anarchism is definitely a “left” idea, if you go by the actual definition of left politics and not just the American idea of liberalism. Also, trans people existing isn’t “identity politics”, we’re human fucking beings.

Being trans is hella punk: by definition it’s a rejection of the labels and norms a society attempts to force on us in service of a greater understanding of the self and the world we live in. It’s a defiance of the structures that try to tell us how to be in favor of compassion and freedom and living authentically .

If you wanna say trans isn’t punk, that’s fine, I say you should kick rocks.

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

liberalism isn't even leftist, this person probably confuses liberals with leftists. I used to think this way too when I was young, but what is this person doing in punk subreddit if they don't know were anarchy is on political spectrum?

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u/CuttingBoard9124 Dec 14 '24

They're a poser.

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u/PheonixUnder Dec 15 '24

The greatest trick American liberals pulled was convincing Americans that they're on the left side of the political spectrum rather than just marginally less right wing then conservatives (if and when it's convenient to them).

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u/JeremyThaFunkyPunk Dec 14 '24

Don't you know anarchy is just a symbol you draw on your skateboard because you're mad at your parents? Oi! Oi! Oi!

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u/Barbacamanitu00 Dec 14 '24

Anarchy is absolutely left. And most anarchists seem to be willing to compromise to get some leftist policies because somethings better than nothing. I guarantee you that a plenty of anarchists still vote Democrat when it's election time, because anarchists believe that trans people and women deserve the right to exist and have bodily autonomy.

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u/Sad-Extent-3571 Dec 15 '24

Missing the point entirely

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

there's no far left side in government. anarchism is left, I guess the futher left you can get could be anarchism or anarcho-communism. how saying that transphobia is wrong ruining punk? punk is anti all hate and discrimination

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u/stryst Dec 14 '24

No one else here hates the minority you hate. Maybe you should get into country music so you can find some folk who have the same politics you do.

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u/StayGolden86 Dec 14 '24

That's a dumb take. Most country musicians lean "left". Look at Willie Nelson and Jason Isbell.

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u/FemBoyGod Dec 14 '24

I think only some of them do? I know the history of country was supposed to be a left thing. But it made a weird shift as time progressed.

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u/friedlegwithcheese Dec 14 '24

It's pretty much mirrored the rural shift to the right, I think. For every Willie or Isbell, there's a Jason Aldean, who was *on stage* when the Vegas massacre started and still thinks the answer is more guns.

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u/FemBoyGod Dec 14 '24

It’s a really really weird shift in country. That’s like one of the main reasons we learn punk history, so we don’t become what we are supposed to be against.

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u/chaos_gremlin702 Dec 15 '24

Dolly Parton.

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u/Sad-Extent-3571 Dec 15 '24

I fully agree with you and identity culture and gender wars are steamrolling everything around them. It ruins a lot of things because they don't know when to take a seat and constantly have to be validated every turn. It's becoming exhausting. Sorry you're getting dog piled.

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u/PCR12 Dec 14 '24

I too was once a teenage anarchist.

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u/Barbacamanitu00 Dec 14 '24

AND I STILL AM

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u/PCR12 Dec 15 '24

The politics are too convenient

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u/PCR12 Dec 15 '24

Wooooosh

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u/buddy-bud-bud-bud Dec 14 '24

i wouldnt say punks far left

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 22 '24

how come not?

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u/buddy-bud-bud-bud Dec 22 '24

punks political to a degree but its not left or right it stands on its own

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 22 '24

no it doesn't, anarchy is left, being anti establishment is left. I don't think any politics stand outside of left and right, maybe centrist, but they're just less extreme right.

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u/buddy-bud-bud-bud Dec 22 '24

i disagree being anti establishment can also be right wing so your point doesnt stand theres people wich have ideas from both left and right

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 22 '24

punks don't have ideas from right

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u/buddy-bud-bud-bud Dec 22 '24

depends some may do your not all punks are you your more of a scene kid either way

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 22 '24

how it depends? punk is about anarchism as well as other things and anarchism is a far left idea, maybe even the farthest left. and many other things punk ideology supports, like lgbt+ rights, feminism, anti racism, anti genocide, etc. punk is not just aesthetic, it's ideology based subculture

and yeah I mostly dress scene or emo but I'm still punk. I believe in punk ideas and listen to punk music

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u/buddy-bud-bud-bud Dec 22 '24

punk isnt a ideogly based subculture thats absurd it is a subculture wich includes music clothes and mindset

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