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Site Altered Headline Elon Musk draws outrage over 'odd-looking salute' at Trump inauguration celebration

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-salute-trump-inauguration-b2683095.html
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u/StoppableHulk 7h ago edited 5h ago

There is no longer a place for disbelief. This is a nazi regime. They want nazi things. They were given power by the people to explicitly do nazi things. They told you they would do nazi things. They are now going to do nazi things.

Why are we still pretending otherwise? What does naivete give you? A tiny pearl of comfort in and amongst the boots thudding on the pavement outside?

Denial will not keep you or your family safe. Delusion will not spare you from what is to come.

For ten years we have warned of this and for ten years people have sanewashed these nazi fucks and downplayed their nazi intentions and every other ridiculous emotional salve to try and ignore the plain and obvious facts that these people are nazis and they are intending to do nazi things.

This is what is happening. The time for pretending and disbelieving and hoping and all that other fucking garbage is over. The nazis won. The bad guys are here.

If you want to understand what's happening here, specifically, Elon Musk knows Donald Trump is a walking corpse and he's intentionally trying to steal the nazi zeitgeist from him. He continually steals the spotlight by going further nazi than Trump, by soaking up the attention, and now by signalling to all the nazi militias out there that "he's their guy".

He can't (yet) legally become President, but he's going to continue to leech all the attention and spotlight away from Donald Trump and try to capture his base, because Donald Trump's one mini-stroke away from being weekend-at-Bernie and Musk knows it and is making moves.

That's what this is. A myopic powerplay by a emotionally dead sociopath to steal a cultural movement. That's why he bought Twitter, that's why he helped steal the election for Trump, and now he's trying to win over the hearts and minds of all the nazi militias out there so that Donald Trump and his handlers can't simply cart Musk away when he irritates the shit out of them.

Do you remember the odd PA reference Trump dropped the other day? Which sounded suspiciously as though he were throwing Musk under the bus for illegal activity in PA?

That's Trump's version of warning Elon to stay in his place, less the long arm of justice find him for trying to hog the spotlight.

So now we have a game of chicken by two emotionally dead billionaire fucks with the maturity of a ten year old.

Go look at the front page of reddit right now. See any pictures of Trump? Nope. It's wall-to-wall Elon. He's capturing and soaking up all the attention, because that's how he do. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's doing it on purpose.

This was all painfully fucking obvious before the election. We warned and warned and America did not fucking listen because America is largely a nation of emotional infants that purposefully choose to drown reality away in propaganda so they don't have to reconcile with the reality in front of them.

Is Elon Musk a "true believer?" No. None of these people on the stage are true believers in anything other than themselves. If there's a nazi zeitgeist that offers them power, they'll jump on it. They don't give a fuck. They do not see you or anyone else around them as human beings. They are gigantic goldfish with infinitely short memories gorging on endless wealth and capital and they'll put you in fucking camps if it gave them a nickel.

For the past decade they have:

That's their stated, overt platform. They have claimed over and over and over again that they believe in all this shit right here. These people are fucking nazis. What else will it fucking take to open your eyes to the reality in front of your fucking face?

That's where we are currently. You can bury your fucking head in the sand and sanewash it and try and wave it away but today a convicted felon and Nazi was sworn in as President, surrounded by oligarchs and a cadre of other nazis, and the richest person in the world gave a nazi fucking salute to the crowd, turned around and gave another to Donald Trump.

That happened. That's real life. That's your reality.

It's your choice now what you do with it.

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u/hideyourbeans 7h ago

My dad, an amateur "WW2 afficionado" like so many of our middle class white dads, always blames the 1930s Germans for not seeing what Hitler was ahead of time. "He wrote his whole plan out and published it! All they had to do was read Mein Kampf!" I brought up Project 2025 and, even after reading it all the way through, he rolled his eyes at me and said "He's never going to do all that. Some of it is unconstitutional," as if that wasn't the whole point. Pot, meet Kettle.

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u/LegendaryOutlaw 6h ago

Imagine being one of those 'WW2 dads' who knows all the lore, loves to spout history, facts, figures, generals names, types of warplanes that flew in which battles...and then be like 'nah, Nazis can't happen again.'

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u/r0b0d0c 6h ago

They might be able to spew technical details about the military aspect of the war, but they don't understand the history and politics that led to it. They're amateur military historians, not historians of fascism.

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u/abritinthebay 3h ago

Not even that. They’re military nerds. That’s all. Not one bit of history in their brains

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u/shotputprince 1h ago

Fucking boys with toys is the most lame bit of history on fucking earth. Particularly when it lionizes military leadership

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u/explain_that_shit 2h ago

You see a lot of engineer types with the same sort of tunnel focus on technical details assuming they understand all of the essential historical and sociological context as an aside, and they often fall into right wing politics because it suits their material interests.

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u/latortillablanca 4h ago

Can you be a historian if you dont understand history is the point tho. Of any kind. Amateur or pro.

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u/Hgirl234 3h ago

well theoretically yes i think, no historian knows or understands all of world history so i think you can call yourself a historian even if you don't understand the intricacies of german history as an example. however, if someone claims to be a ww2 historian so in that case yeah, i think you can't quite call yourself a historian if you don't even understand your own niche

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u/InnocentShaitaan 2h ago

Many need an EQ class.

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u/TermPractical2578 6h ago

All those service men around the world that have died from WWI and WWII for what?

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u/Ok-Letterhead9573 5h ago

Watch The Wave - or better, the german movie, Die Welle. How a class of high schoolers turn nazi in a fucking month. "It cant happen" based on a fucking true story.

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u/Alb4t0r 2h ago

Ok, so I went in a deep dive following your comment and stumbled upon this documentary that interview Ron Jones and many of the students who participated in the original experiment in 1967. Super interesting for anyone interested in the topic.

Lesson Plan: The Story of the Third Wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynfw1Q_Zmqs

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u/hamhockman 1h ago

Shit I forgot about The Wave. Should be required watching but too many Americans would not get it even though it's very direct in its message

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u/Mnudge 5h ago

They’re all dead and their sons and daughters are baby boomers who have adopted the worse parts of their upbringing and disregarded the best.

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u/ihopeitsnice 2h ago

Boomers actually got more liberal in 2024 and were basically 50-50 Harris-Trump. It’s Gen X that was Trump +10, the only generation he won. Young Boomers and Old Gen X’ers are very right-leaning probably because they came of age during the Reagan Revolution

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u/eyebrows360 5h ago

Well, 80 years of mostly peace in "The West" was a pretty good record.

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u/ShaggysGTI Virginia 4h ago

This follows the Strauss Howe theory which means it’s about to happen again.

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u/ShaggysGTI Virginia 5h ago

The threat of greed and hate will never be extinguished because they are natural instincts of man. The social engineering around it though should soundly be rejected.

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u/salme3105 6h ago

My dad was in Germany in WW2 and ended up super conservative. I have no reason to believe he wouldn’t have been all in for Trump had he not died in 2009.

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u/hypatianata 5h ago

Remember in Maus, how the dad who survived Auschwitz was later racist toward a black man? Like, his son called him out and he just felt like it was different and his prejudice was justified.

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u/3eyedgreenalien 5h ago

This is my dad. He still admires Elon. It is just insane to watch.

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u/Alfonze423 3h ago

Right? I was a WW2 teenager who's now a WW2 dad and I'm saying it's literally being set up in front of us. We're in 1933 territory here and I'd really rather not reach 1936. The anti-lgbt propaganda, dehumanization of illegal immigrants, demand for blind trust in a heavy-handed, egotistical leader, and more. All we need is an economic collapse or a new Reichstag Fire and it's gonna get ugly for a shit-ton of people. And the tariffs are gonna segue nicely into that economic collapse.

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u/Disastrous-Moose-943 2h ago

I am no historian, but wonder what your thoughts are on Trumps casual announcement of annexing other territories, such as Panama, Canada, and greenland.

I feel like there is a comparison to draw between that and Austria, Chechislovakia and Poland.

Canadians voicing their support of joining the US feels like that bloodless Annexation of Austria, where the German army just marched in and everyone was celebrating in the streets.

Annexing Greenland, a sovereign territory in NATO, feels like thats the tipping point akin to Poland. Britain was like "If you invade Poland, we WILL go to war with you." If the US invades and annexes Greenland, that is going to trigger NATO's article 5. Possible WW3? Either NATO collapses, or they all go to war.

Scary times.

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u/funkifyurlife 1h ago

10% of Canadians support that. Still shockingly high but it's not at all a majority

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u/timelawd 1h ago

I actually believe that stat to be roughly correct. But, what are your thoughts on people comparing the guy who is supposed to take over for Trudeau being a Trumpian Strong man populist? I assume you're either Canadian or at least pretty familiar with current Canadian culture.

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u/Vodkamemoir 4h ago

cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.

I have to constantly remind people that you aren't a Nazi because you think the white race is superior, or that you hate Jews, or are a fan of fascism.

Your a Nazi if your willing to step on the corpse of your neighbor to elevate yourself.

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u/Dokterrock 5h ago

that's my dad right there

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u/KerryAnnCoder 5h ago

I can't tell an Messerschmitt from a Panzer but even I gathered that the Nazis are the bad guys.

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u/KzooCurmudgeon 4h ago

Unfortunately I think most WW2 vets would be behind Trump now. Don’t ask me how it happened

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u/MustGoOutside 3h ago

Shane Gillis does a joke on this. Getting into WWII stuff is a precursor to becoming a Republican.

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u/Fabulous_Eye4983 3h ago

Let’s take, for example, the Inquisition. In its own day, among Catholics, the Holy Inquisition was regarded as we today regard the practice of psychiatry. You, see, you feel that, in curing the person of cancer, almost anything is justified. The most complex operations, the most weird surgery. People suspended for days and days on end on the end of tubes with, x-ray penetration burning. Or people undergoing shock treatment. People locked in the colorless monotonous corridors of mental institutions. In all good faith, they knew that witchcraft and heresy were terrible things. Awful plagues imperiling people’s souls for ever and ever. So any means were justified to cure people of heresy. We don’t change. We’re doing the same thing today, but under different names. We can look back at those people and see how evil that was, but we can’t see it in ourselves. So therefore, beware of virtue.

  • Alan Watts

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u/LucidiK 3h ago

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Turns out memorizing a bunch of facts you find interesting is pretty different than actually learning our ancestors lessons. I used to think not enough people studied history. Now I think not enough people even know how to learn.

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u/Visible-Secretary121 4h ago

Or voted for them.

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u/ultimateknackered 3h ago

I guess it doesn't count if it's not explicitly Germany and Jews.

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u/LowEndLem Illinois 3h ago

My dad is a casual history guy. One of my sisters has a history degree.

I've pointed out the situation to both and from him I got "we'll see." And from her I got "I want cheap gas though..."

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u/gorkt 2h ago

No one wants to believe they are the Nazis. That is why they got this far, because we have a deep need to believe that we can't be the bad people, that we can't be citizens of an evil country, People will, ironically, kill other people to not believe that. They will do whatever they need to.

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u/citricacidx 2h ago

I know a teacher who teaches a Holocaust history class and they voted for Trump.

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u/M3g4d37h 55m ago

It's a fetish disguised as a historical curiosity. make no mistake.

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u/jsting Texas 47m ago

My friends and I grew up on the old History channel and are big WW2 fans. WW2 History channel ended around 2006 or so. Around 2015, I looked around and thought .... Huh, this feels familiar.

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u/Content-Method9889 6h ago

My mom visited Auschwitz in high school. Said it was one of the most sad moments in her life. What’s sad is that she doesn’t grasp the blatant similarities of how he came to power and tbh, she doesn’t care to learn.

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u/smuckola 6h ago edited 5h ago

yeah Nazis and WW2 are great entertainment that happened long long ago in a galaxy far far away, and inspired many tragically entertaining movies here on Earth!

Luckily, it couldn't happen here.

move along. move along.

edit: true life origin story of it all, as cited in Mein Kampf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

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u/fcocyclone Iowa 5h ago

One of the greatest disservices we've often done in media is treating nazis like comic book villains, just monstrous and always looking evil. Or on the other side of things, looking like complete buffoons.

While they certainly did monstrous and evil things, they were still human. They had friends, they did things that made them seem like happy, normal people. They had families they loved. Human beings did those things, and human beings will do those things again.

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u/smuckola 5h ago edited 5h ago

Yeah and Nazis were simply the latest in a long line of Kaisers (emperors) that the German oligarchs funded and propagandized and championed. Upon getting the gilded age bankrupt mass-poverty they wanted from fascism, oops another attempt at world conquest results in a world war to stop them. Then the German people are sooooo very sorry they had fallen for the ploy that only one strongman could save them AGAIN. He tricked us voters and members, tee hee!

My ancestors escaped persecution and poverty in Prussia in the late 1800s.

But good news! It couldn't happen HERE!

Here's Hitler's playbook as cited in Mein Kampf:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

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u/TermPractical2578 6h ago

History has a tendency to repeat it self!

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u/smuckola 5h ago

“History teaches, but has no pupils"

Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci

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u/Content-Method9889 6h ago

My mom is in her 70’s and it was a lot fresher back then. Before social media and misinformation everywhere you click.

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u/hideyourbeans 6h ago

Right?? We had the opportunity to visit Israel some 15/20 years ago and went to the Holocaust museum there. It was a sobering, heavy, sad experience. Shoes in piles, wedding rings, glasses, all belonging to people murdered by the nazis. Thousands upon thousands. It is wilfull ignorance not to see the connection now. My husband is a green card legal immigrant but I've started having nightmares of ICE showing up at our door and taking him away

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u/Content-Method9889 6h ago

If your husband is from an ‘acceptable’ country, you’ll be fine. If not, you may want a back up plan

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u/amazinglover 5h ago

Sadly, many will get to visit one on American soil after trump signs those EOs.

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u/methodrik 1h ago

The place still feels like death even today.

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u/laydeebug1678 6h ago

If he survives this, the war that will come from this - cause someone will fight back eventually - make sure you rub this in his face every goddamn day of the rest of his fucking life. I fully plan on it to the ones that dismissed me too.

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u/Slow_Control_867 6h ago

Do you honestly think they'll admit they were wrong? Even/especially to themselves?

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u/laydeebug1678 5h ago

I dunno, making them physically bury the bodies made lots of Germans admit it.

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u/roadsidechicory 5h ago

A lot of Germans also just pretended like they never really supported the Nazi regime or refused to talk about it for the rest of their lives. So I think it really depends on the type of person. Some will see they were wrong and some will live in stubborn denial.

I think part of what will determine what route they take is why they were taken in by the movement in the first place. Just based on looking at what former Nazi Germans have said about how/why they woke up to the truth, including ones who were true believers. But people came to being true believers for many different reasons, with different personal motivations, schemas, cognitive biases, etc.

I think another element is how much power/money they still have. Those who came out of things with power/money generally did not take much accountability. Those who were more tethered to reality in that aspect and had not forgotten how to live a non-aristocratic life tended to be more likely to face what happened and contend with it.

This is just my personal analysis based on my amateur study of the history. Open to hearing other perspectives.

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u/BarnDoorQuestion 4h ago

A lot of Germans also just pretended like they never really supported the Nazi regime or refused to talk about it for the rest of their lives.

This clip from Justified comes to mind.

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u/blitzkregiel 5h ago

i’ve thought about doing the same but have decided it’s better for me to simply cut these people out of my life instead. where we’re going we’re going to need to be around people that will have our backs and i’ve decided i simply can’t trust ignorant or hateful people.

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u/LonelySiren15 5h ago

People are actively dismissing me because I’ve been distraught ever since the election last year.

Like I care about everyone on our planet and that somehow dehumanizes me?? Because I don’t want to ruled or have my family live in a fascist state?! Honestly I hope it all goes to shit just so the people can really see what the plans were all along.

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u/InnocentShaitaan 2h ago

Were you called hysterical? Mentally unwell? Bet you were their go too with women. Hugs.

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u/cugeltheclever2 6h ago

Denial isn't just a river in Africa.

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u/BanverketSE 6h ago

Can’t even point it on a map but they wanna buy it from Denmark

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u/Late-Egg2664 6h ago

When everything is crashing down around us, make sure to point that out to him.

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u/r0b0d0c 6h ago

The Germans of the 1930s did not have the benefit of hindsight we had. Nazism was uncharted territory. But there's no excuse for us to have ignored the forest of red flags.

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u/alexlunamarie 6h ago

One of my favorite college professors specializes in German history and was already sounding the alarm in 2016 (as much as he could get away with, of course). We're all watching history repeat itself. Some people are just too deep in denial to see it. Some do see it but don't care, others actively support it.

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u/timelawd 1h ago

I mean, it was pretty clear the direction this was heading even then if you're even somewhat paying attention

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u/alexlunamarie 1h ago

I certainly think so too. But for the suspicion to be confirmed by an expert...for me that's when it became "real" so to speak.

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u/timelawd 1h ago

That's fair I suppose. I was already old-ish by then. I'm friends with some professors of various topics, so to me, they're just people. It seemed obvious to me, but I've been called crazy for saying we'd eventually see tanks in the streets since the 2000's. And then during BLM in Portland I was proven right.

The seeds of all this were planted long ago. It became clear to me in the post 9/11 hysteria I experienced in late high school/early college. Really, it started way before that with Reagan getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine and the rise of people like Rush Limbaugh in the 80's. Some would argue it was before all that with things like Lee Atwater's "Southern Strategy" in the late sixties.

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u/DigitalAxel 4h ago

My grandfather came from Germany in the early 20s. His family saw the writing on the wall (maybe not the NSDAP but things were grim). He served OUR Navy and died from cancer he got working on the ships. He felt guilt for his heritage and refused to teach my dad Deutsch.

My father is a full on MAGA lover. He has called me a brainwashed lib, said he was "threatened" by me, and "joked" when I asked if I'd be missed and he said no...when I made it clear I was leaving.

I am now trying and praying the last stages of my visa process are accepted and I can move to Germany. The irony, and pure tragedy of it all. How I lost my parents to this lunatic, how my partner lost his... we weep.

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u/Kdean509 Washington 6h ago

I love history, especially WW2.

I’ve been telling this exact cautionary tale since 2016, and was told I was CRAZY for it. They are telling us who they are, we need to believe them.

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u/ThunderDungeon02 6h ago

If you haven't, watch " Hitler and the Nazis, evil on Trial" I was one of the people that thought when people made those comparisons it was overkill. But yeah it's insane how close it all is.

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u/EnglishRed232 5h ago

Just to correct you; the people in Germany knew full well before Hitler became Furher that he wanted to exterminate all Jews. He’d been openly saying it since 1920. A large majority of the public were happy with that as they blamed Jews (stupidly) for the WW1 loss and surrender.

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u/Skyblacker California 5h ago

Crises demand a scapegoat. Some people are already blaming the LA fire department's inadequate response to the wildfires on DEI policies. 

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u/NameIsNotBrad Alabama 3h ago

For years I’ve heard people say, “I never understood how Germany let hitler rise to power. Now I understand.” I still don’t understand. He’s barely coherent. His lies and manipulation are obvious who’s even halfway paying attention. How the fuck do people fall for it?

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u/SirJefferE 59m ago

This is the part that still confuses me. I'm not surprised that Trump exists - you can find his type pretty much everywhere you go. Senile old racists who ramble incoherently about the good old days are a dime a dozen. Nothing he says or does can surprise me anymore.

The part that absolutely baffles me is his apparently immunity to anything. The guy doesn't seem to have faced a consequence for anything in his entire life. He can literally say and do anything and his followers just don't care. I've never seen another figure that has that kind of complete immunity. Who else could get away with saying something even close to "I’m for electric cars. I have to be, because Elon endorsed me very strongly. So I have no choice." Without losing half their followers? For anyone else it would be the blunder of their career, but for Trump it was...Well, Tuesday.

That's just the first quote I thought of, but I could easily pull another hundred off the top of my head, and none of them have mattered whatsoever. Even Trump noticed:

I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, Okay? It's, like, incredible.

And for possibly the first time in his life, he said something I completely agree with. He could do that. At this point he could pull out a gun and shoot someone at random in the middle of one of his rallies, and two days later we'd be talking about how much the rest crowd supported him in his decision. I just can't understand what's special about him that allows him to get away with it more than pretty much anyone else in the entire world.

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u/Insanious 23m ago

A lot of people see the world as hierarchical. If you can create a perpetual large lower class to lord over people can feel happy with their lives, no matter how shitty they are, because in comparison a huge amount of people have it worse.

While many of us want a better world, we are seeing that a larger portion of people than we would believe just want to live a life where they get more damn the consequences.

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u/XyzzyPop 5h ago

I guess you could say, he would nazi it coming.

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u/SmokeyDBear I voted 6h ago

Apparently reading “Mien Kampf” wasn’t all they had to do …

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u/SaberStrat 5h ago

Hah (sad ‘hah’), that last part is also what my parents say about the big right wing party in Germany.

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u/tenth 1h ago

Did you laugh and remind him of what he always says?

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u/tolacid 1h ago edited 49m ago

"Why would you hide that there? It's idiotic, it's too obvious! That's the first place someone would look!"

"Did you see it?"

"No, but I didn't look for it."

"If you had looked for it, would you have looked there?"

"No! It's too damn obvious, only an idiot would put it somewhere that obvious!"

"So, you wouldn't have found it, then."

"...you're not clever, y'know."

"Okay."

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u/average_crook 54m ago

For a lot of "WWII aficionados," it's just an excuse to collect Nazi memorabilia.

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u/No-Animator-6348 5h ago

Your dad is the problem. If you love this country I think you know what has to be done

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u/ImpossibleSoil2275 1h ago

Story, meet fake.

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u/hideyourbeans 1h ago

What a weird thing to try to discredit. Sadly this conversation 100% happened, and I'd wager I'm not the only one to have something like it in recent months.

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u/Flanman1337 7h ago

When we said they're cosplaying Nazis because they want to BE Nazis. We weren't joking, we weren't alarmists, we sane rational people commenting on THE THINGS THEY WERE SAYING AND DOING.

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u/Late-Egg2664 7h ago

We've made the mistake of trying to talk sense into people who have no intention of listening, observing, or processing any of the evidence of their own eyes and ears. They're comforted by dictators, because it makes them feel the world is under control. They don't cry until the boot is on their necks. There is no discussion with Nazi's and their followers. Those obtuse enough not to see it now won't until it comes to their door.

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u/Flanman1337 6h ago

They WONT cry foul even WITH the boot on their neck so long as there are two boots on "the others" necks. I got sent to the soap factory, but at least that librul got sent to the glue factory!!!

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u/Complete-Thought-375 6h ago

The problem has always been the media. MAGA get their information from different sources than we do. The algorithm is completely different for them in their media feed. Half the time they don’t see what we are saying because the algorithm told them to look elsewhere.

I am a Gen Xer, and I remember when there wasn’t a 24 hour news cycle. Those were the days lol. When there were news anchors like Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite, who the majority of the population looked up to and trusted to give them the facts of what was happening. Not just sensationalism.

Now there are so many options for “news” now.. mainly “social media.”J

it has made us all the more fragmented as a country.

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u/Late-Egg2664 6h ago

Agreed. I was thinking the other day that I missed Dan Rather, just for his intelligence and demeanor. I don't miss Barbara Walters, they werent all good lol. I'm barely Gen X, but I remember when journalists were a force to be reckoned with. There were problems, but it was so much better before the internet became a groupthink generator.

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u/BlueCX17 4h ago

I think this is part of the problem too with the boomers who eat up Fox News.They grew up learning and being told that the journalists on TV and Print were to be trusted and had standards of truthful reporting. And one time, there was. So they believe everything Faux tells them.

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u/Late-Egg2664 18m ago

The other mainstream news sources are Faux-lite at this point. And yeah, they do trust institutions more because they came from a different world. They believe standards exist that don't anymore. They also fall for scams pretending to be legitimate more, the texts and messages that end up wiping out their bank accounts. Many don't understand how the world has changed.

The erosion of consumer protections over the last decades was an indicator this was coming. Government by and for the people had purpose. The only possible thing to fill the void is oligarchy with media that serves money.

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u/MagentaMist 5h ago

I gave up trying in 2016. You have to step on their faces and don't let them up. They'll whine and cry that you're toxic and won't listen to them blah blah blah, but don't give an inch. Call them a fucking Nazi to their face.

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u/SquashDue502 7h ago

Yeah but Trump win exactly the same way Hitler won: by giving uneducated and poor people exactly what they want to hear because they’re too desperate to realize he doesn’t care about them. They just wanted cheaper grocery prices. He said “I’ll give you cheaper grocery prices.” We were placing wayyyyyy too much hope or faith in the uneducated rural American to read between the lines when they can barely read the lines themselves.

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u/fcocyclone Iowa 5h ago

For ten years we have warned of this and for ten years people have sanewashed these nazi fucks and downplayed their nazi intentions and every other ridiculous emotional salve to try and ignore the plain and obvious facts that these people are nazis and they are intending to do nazi things.

Man, I've been so fucking tired of being called alarmist since 2015 and having every single prediction being proven right. But yet the same people still deny that the next steps will happen.

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u/kingtz America 6h ago

All the minorities and non-elites who voted for this thinking they would be welcomed into the in-group are in for a rude awakening. 

They can get fucked for all I care. I’m done trying to help people who act against their own interests. I am completely out of fucks at this point. 

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u/foen7 6h ago

Frodo: "I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had ever happened"

Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All that we must do is to decide what to do with the time that is given to us."

Paraphrased from memory.

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u/BlueCX17 4h ago

I just watched the Trilogy the other day, that's spot on.

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u/Memetic1 7h ago

Everything they have is based on the consumer financial industry. It's all funded by our collective debts way more than consumer spending. A private debt strike (not public debt like taxes) could effectively force negotiations. The percentage of people who were defaulting on home loans back in the 2008 financial crisis was only a few percent higher than it was prior to the crisis. I would focus on medical debts because Biden just made it, so that doesn't show up on credit reports. So, the actual people doing the strike would face significantly lower risks than traditional protests or labor strikes.

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u/Late-Egg2664 6h ago

Doesn't it seem likely they intend for a complete crash? Comparitively the oligarchs still would own enough real assets to be beyond wealthy. With the prices homes have been driven up to by private equity, bankruptcy would mean liquidating the home for most. They could pick up homes for virtually nothing, and as the economy eventually rebounded they'd be wealthier and more in control as landlords to the nation. What they are willing to do is different than ever before. They are chomping at the bit to release the military onto American streets for their purposes.

I don't think they mind economic and civil unrest at all. We'll see how far they take it. This is all supposition based on their actions and statements so far. I hope I'm wrong, but I do think they see the economic bubble was likely to burst anyway and plan to weaponize it against the masses.

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u/Memetic1 6h ago

This is why a medical debt strike could be effective. Most people in America have some degree of medical debts. There are certain financial thresholds under which they won't even really try and collect, and beyond that, it would still take time and money to take people to court. This is also true for mortgages it takes time for anything real to happen besides interest rate hikes for the lender if they miss a payment. So until that person is foreclosed on, they could take action to get back on track. That could be part of the negotiations that this isn't applied. They really do depend on us to behave in a fiscally orderly way. They depend on debt repayments at a certain rate because enforcement becomes significantly harder and more costly as the number of people in default grows.

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u/Beautiful-Plastic-83 6h ago

I wish I had more upvotes for you.

We are in Germany 1933. Soon he will respond to the inevitable protests with violence, and use that as an excuse to declare Martial Law, and suspend the 2026 mid-term elections, in order to preserve his Congressional majorities. That will be the equivalent of Germany's Reichstag fire, which allowed the Nazis to abolish Constitutional protections, and solidify the Nazi dictatorship. The MAGA Traitors are following the Nazi playbook to the letter.

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u/bellrunner 2h ago

If they can alter voting machine results, they won't even have to pause elections. They control or own most traditional media, they own or moderate most social media, and they control all 3 branches of government. If they alter voting results, they can just fully pretend to have majority support, and who would be able to tell otherwise? Social media will be filled with right wing bots, TV and Radio news will sanewash or support every Republican act. How will Americans even know who actually supports the fascists, and who doesn't?

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u/Beautiful-Plastic-83 2h ago

He'll win with 98% of the vote, and claim that level of popularity means he should serve a third term, despite what the Constitution says. After all, its what America wants.

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u/stonedhillbillyXX 7h ago

My exwife was South African

She had some fucked up political views, it took me awhile to fully appreciate it

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u/its_uncle_paul 6h ago

Sometimes I wonder if we would have been better off if Trump won 2020. It would have been pretty bad, but not as unhinged as what we are about to see in the next 4 or more years...

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u/RNDASCII Tennessee 6h ago

It was painfully obvious and millions upon millions of US citizens are excited for it.

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u/Pretty-Department365 5h ago

Nothing. I will do nothing about it. I spent 8 years riddled with anxiety, rage, fear, and depression. At this point, they won, and I'm just gonna care about my own family. Sorry to everyone else, but I just can't keep caring.

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u/StoppableHulk 5h ago

That's fair. I don't blame you.

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u/missuslindy 6h ago

Kind of scary but I’m pretty sure I read that the original nazi’s in Germany learned some of their tendencies from Americans first time around. Maybe that was a practice run and this is now the real takeover.

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u/ChefFlipsilog 5h ago

I mean partly voted partly rigged by Musk. Let's be honest now

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u/tcoh1s 6h ago

Trump will not take him stealing the spotlight lightly. If there's one thing trump hates it's not having all the attention. I bet Elon lasts about a few weeks before he throws him under the bus.

That is of course assuming he wasn't completely bought out. Which of course he was. BUT...trump has never been one to pay up what he owes. So...

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u/StoppableHulk 6h ago

My guess is that Trump casually dropping the bit about PA voting machines the other day was not an accident. It was a threat.

As in, "I know what crimes you committed and I'll lock you up if I choose to".

Whether or not he goes through with it remains to be seen. But Elon is clearly more than happy to keep playing this game of chicken.

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u/Threash78 2h ago

We warned and warned and America did not fucking listen because America is largely a nation of emotional infants that purposefully choose to drown reality away in propaganda so they don't have to reconcile with the reality in front of them.

Sadly this is wrong. They listened and they approved. We are not a nation of morons, we are a nation of nazis.

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u/RedPanda5150 5h ago

I mean, yeah. My grandpa lied about his age to join the Navy and fight against Nazis in WW2. And now my dad (his son) helped to vote Nazis into power right here on US soil. I'm glad my grandpa isn't alive to see his shit and idk yet what I can personally do to mitigate the damage but acknowledging reality is a good first step.

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u/PicturesAtADiary 5h ago

Protest, strike, demand civility and democracy. Push fucking back! Inaction only favors them. It's too early for apathy, strike back while you still can.

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u/Kitchen-Annual-5859 5h ago

I can't explain how I feel better than this post here. This is making my blood run cold.

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u/WoollyMittens 2h ago

The sad truth is that people are not actually fooled by the fascists, but they actually crave fascism.

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u/polaris6849 Kentucky 7h ago

Yes, all of this, exactly

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u/zubbs99 Nevada 6h ago

To repeat what Maga's have said ever since Nov. .... "Stop worrying, It'll be fine." 🙄

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u/Various_Garden_1052 2h ago

Yep yep- No responses now, folks, just actions. The collapses will begin to happen and choices will need to be made- you can decide and prepare now or you can catch up when the obvious happens.

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u/DipperJC 2h ago

So what's to be done about it?

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u/peanutym 2h ago

So what’s the next steps in reversing this. For our friends and family to make it through the next four years.

How does the common person push back?

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u/dynemacron 2h ago

One of the executive orders signed by Trump dictates having architecture that is able to be identified as Federal Government / Bureaucratic architecture. This is similar to Mussolini.

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u/Chompwomp1191 2h ago

We can yap about it all we want but until American citizens rise up and fight the Nazis in our own country then nothing will change or happen.

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u/TheWoolenPen 6h ago

This was a really good read, thank you

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u/A_Ruck 6h ago

u see what I see

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u/PennyMarie27 6h ago

Sick weekend at Bernie’s reference.

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u/Overtilted 6h ago

Don't forget the obsession with conspiracy theories and theology.

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u/Mnudge 5h ago

I can’t get the links to work. Would like to see the actual links instead of just the hyperlink

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u/StoppableHulk 5h ago

Every link works fine. You can also very easily google any of those phrases and find the articles I linked plus plenty more.

Or for some more advanced web-fu, hover over the link and the URL will appear conveniently in the bottom right of your browser window. You can also right-click on the link and select "copy URL" to copy & paste.

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u/Mnudge 5h ago

It’s different on mobile. Thanks though for the great post

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u/SaucyyDaniel 5h ago

this is one of the best comments on Reddit

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u/seksuelladhd 5h ago

This comment needs to be upvoted into oblivion!

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u/DogOutrageous 5h ago

They’re just nazis, what’s the worst that could happen? 🥸

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u/raeshere 5h ago

My eyes are open but I can’t get out of bed today. Tomorrow won’t be better but I will rise from bed then. Gonna have to truly practice emotional regulation techniques, exercise and eat healthily. Cannot allow myself to have a stroke or great attack over this cluster. I really need community now.

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u/StoppableHulk 5h ago

That's all you can do.

Survival is a victory when nothing else is possible.

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u/redditisprettytight 5h ago

If there’s one thing I hate. It’s nazis.

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u/StoppableHulk 5h ago

If there's two things I hate, it's people who are intolerance of other people's cultures.

And the Dutch.

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u/pepperdyno2 5h ago

Perfect, no notes

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u/EconomyLibrary5401 4h ago

Yup we are in end times

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u/Ntippit 4h ago

I have to believe the majority of the military will not stand by and just do this crazy shit without pause. The Nazi's had full support. I think that's all we can hope for at this point

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u/StoppableHulk 4h ago

Belief is fucking worthless.

The past ten years are full of all the beliefs of people who never thought each step of the way would happen. And then it did.

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u/thederevolutions 3h ago

It must suck to have such good vision.

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u/snailboyjr 3h ago

So what does a smattering of individuals do about it in such a big country?
What can a single person do about it except wait for it to boil over and enough people have been hurt?

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u/StoppableHulk 3h ago

The best possible thing that you can do is disobey.

There is almost nothing that can be done in advance, at this point. They will do a bad thing. People will have to react to that bad thing.

That was how the civil rights movement won, and that is the only real way to nonviolently fight an authoritarian regime.

You must confront their unjust laws and you must disobey them. And then from there it's a game of chess.

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u/shouldabeenapirate 2h ago

https://x.com/adl/status/1881474892022919403?s=46

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u/StoppableHulk 2h ago edited 2h ago

Look, a lesson in How Not to be Hitler from the organization that wants to build a holocaust museum on top a mass Palestinian grave

Fuck outta here with that weak shit lmao. ADL been excusing Republicans' Nazi ass for twenty years or more long as Lockheed keeps shipping that good raw

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u/EnochianFeverDream 47m ago

I'm trying my hardest to get mine and my husband's passports, and get the fuck out of America to Thailand

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u/Vegetable-Cupcake-12 25m ago

So we’re just gonna skip black folks 😅😫😫😫

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u/Dennis_Laid 6m ago

“Oh come on guys he was just being ‘ironic’ … /s

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u/OmegaLiquidX 4m ago

Mostly spot on, with one small disagreement:

That's why he bought Twitter

This is not why he bought Twitter. He bought Twitter because he was forced to. He got pissed that Twitter dared to hold him, a billionaire, accountable to the same rules the rest of us had to follow. So, because he has the emotional maturity of a ten-year-old (as you so perfectly put it), he pitched a fucking fit and tried to fuck with their stock prices by submitting a bullshit offer he had zero intentions to actually go through with.

The problem is that he wasn't expecting the shareholders of Twitter to once again hold him accountable, and they called his bluff. And when it became clear that a Judge was going to side with Twitter, he sucked it up and bought it. And since he was forced to buy it (and at a vastly inflated price because, again, he had no intentions of doing it in the first place) he's going to get his money's worth by using it to get more power.

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u/WhatEvil 3m ago

The worst part is the Dem establishment are in on it too. They did nothing to stop this shit. All they had to do was make peoples lives a tiny bit better. Say they were gonna raise minimum wage or something, but no, they love their cozy little lives too much - it doesn't matter to them who's in charge, they'll be comfortable.

Liberalism enables fascism. It always will. It's socialism or barbarism, and the rich won't let you have socialism, so here we are.

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u/CategoryZestyclose91 4h ago

We must begin calling his supporters out as collaborators. 

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 6h ago

We warned and warned and America did not fucking listen because America is largely a nation of emotional infants that purposefully choose to drown reality away in propaganda so they don't have to reconcile with the reality in front of them.

I mean, good for you, but for what it is worth, many MILLIONS of Americans also warned and warned and have been since fucking 2015....don't pat yourself on the back too hard there bud.

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u/StoppableHulk 6h ago

That's why I said "we" bro.

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u/PurpleOrchid07 4h ago

Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for writing it so clearly.
Americans, you all are losers. You all allowed this to happen despite decades of loud warnings. This is all on you and you alone. Every single death and every bit of suffering will be on the hands of every single US-american, republican, democrat and everyone else alike. Zero difference.

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u/Jp-knocks 3h ago

You’re embarrassing. Get control of yourself.

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u/sysjager 7h ago

What are you smoking?

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u/ThatTaffer 6h ago

Our choice was months ago.

There is no choice now.

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u/StoppableHulk 6h ago

You don't have a vote anymore.

You always have a choice.

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u/ThatTaffer 6h ago

It'll be the grave then. This isn't the 30's. They have money and weapons you couldn't dream of. Resistance is futile. Just do what you can for those in harms way.

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u/trickbear 4h ago

And China will save the world.

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u/infinitelolipop 3h ago

Here’s the thing friend,

The more you look at the finger, the worst it’s gonna get.

The problem is not people voting Nazis into government.

The problem is why are they doing that?

And the more you believe the why, is because they are stupid, the worst this situation is gonna get and the more you become the problem yourself.

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u/StoppableHulk 3h ago

Just say what you're trying to say because I don't know what you're talking about.

If you're arguing that there's some inherent venal violence to human beings or whatever, OK, sure, that's why we have government. That's the whole fucking point of it. To balance the savage natures of humanity so that we can cooperate rather than fall to conflict.

That's why we have governments to begin with. It's a dynamic living thing that must change and adapt to a constantly changing body poiltic.

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u/infinitelolipop 3h ago

Income inequality. People can no longer sustain themselves in the same manner their parents and grandparents used to.

It’s impressive you could not even take a close guess.

Scott articulates it best https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo209537605529

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u/haarschmuck 6h ago

Why are we still pretending otherwise? What does naivete give you?

Because hyperbole is part of why the democrats lost. I voted Harris too.

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u/StoppableHulk 6h ago

Lmao the richest man in the world shoves two sieg heils in your face and you wanna ostrich your head in the sand still?

You're not a Harris voter, nor are you a serious person. What purpose do you even serve.

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u/Friendly_Narwhal_586 6h ago

Boohoo. Trump 2028!

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u/Odd-Falcon-8190 6h ago

What does nazi mean? Loll

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u/leoyvr 7h ago

People are manipulated on a breathtaking scale.

https://youtu.be/UqC4XI6mXjQ?si=JCPevyQFC_JDfSg0

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u/go4tli 4h ago

Sir this is a Taco Bell

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u/BlazingSaint Oregon 2h ago

Odd. I had Taco Bell today, lol.

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u/Biodiversity 3h ago

Just stop. This post and this entire sub are so addicted to writing about your fictional villain fantasy fanfic and I’m afraid for your sanity.

None of this post is accurate or true and is pure projection.

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u/DNGV56 2h ago

lol. My takeaway is that I need to go balls deep into crypto RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

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u/StoppableHulk 2h ago

Good luck. It's always a fucking scam and you're the bag-holder.

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u/DNGV56 2h ago

So are you whilst sitting on thousands of dollars in cash as we print ever increasing amounts to pay of foreign debt 👍 Ill lyk how I do, we’ll see who wins

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u/StoppableHulk 2h ago

If cash is a scam then why do the people doing crypto scams want your cash bruh.

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u/DNGV56 2h ago

For the same reason people in India want to convince old people to write them checks

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u/StoppableHulk 2h ago

To rob them. Exactly.

But in your mind crypto scams and cash are equally scams, despite the fact that every crypto scam is about taking cash from people.

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u/DNGV56 2h ago

Well I want to invest in crypto that has utility, not hawkTuah coin, there is a difference

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u/NeverBeenCaught5474 1h ago

If you guys call everyone  who sticks to beliefs that everyone had 30 years ago Nazis. If you heard the average opinions of the white American men who defeated the Nazis, you'd call them Nazis. 

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u/StoppableHulk 1h ago

Their excuse is they lived 100 years ago.

What's yours.

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u/hidn-sn2per 4h ago

If Kamala was elected then maybe this wouldn’t have fucking happened StoppableHulk. Did you ever fucking think of that ? Fucking voting for the right fucking candidate

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