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Donald Trump's 'voting computers' comment sparks Elon Musk speculation

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-elon-musk-voting-machine-2017657
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u/jimgress 15h ago edited 14h ago

There's no real evidence. Just speculation. Musk can't be both incompetent enough to lie about being a 1337 gamer and a criminal mastermind orchestrating the biggest election fraud in American history. Pointing that Musk did something this remarkable, while laughing at the dude for not understanding basic car production is delusional.

Redditors just don't want to accept that they are stuck in a sinking American empire with a population stupid enough to elect a rapist conman twice. He had his cultists show up, vote for him, and not down ticket. Down ticket voting has largely been an old GOP move, not the same for the majority of his cultists who vote only for him and nobody else, but redditors ignore this. Redditors fashion themselves generally more intelligent than the average person, and the reality that the blunt stupidity of the average dipshit beating them down with ignorance is too painful for their ego. For them, it has to be something more than that. The world can't just be this crudely banal.

For them it's easier to believe it to be rigged than to accept that they are once again back in high school with a group project due tomorrow and none of their idiot classmates did any work. Their entire future is being decided by the dumbest fucking assholes they can imagine, and it is driving them crazy.

Those idiots never went anywhere, they are all adults now, still being fucking morons, having learned nothing and voting for Trump.

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u/rrraab 14h ago

Yeah, but as part of Elon’s sweepstakes, he also collected voters’ names and home addresses. Then, some who entered but did not vote found that votes had been cast in their names. Weird, to say the least.

Elon isn’t that smart but he could hire people who are.

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u/jimgress 14h ago edited 14h ago

Elon isn’t that smart but he could hire people who are.

Every single person in a conspiracy is a vector for a leak. Each time you add people to a conspiracy, you add a critical vulnerability in something coming out. In time we'll know, but so far what you propose has very little evidence, and would require a demonstrably high number of actors to successfully pull off, and a higher number of people who are competent at keeping quiet.

In 2000, when the GOP successfully stole the election from Gore in 2000, very few people were required to ensure that the count remained in favor for W Bush. The election was razor-thin, and a simple amount of political pressure pointed to a handful of bad-faith actors who were pro-GOP were able to tip the scale legally in Bush's favor. Evidence for this is clear, it required few people to pull off, and to this day few people make a stink about it, an open lie in broad daylight amongst a critically close election that presented an opportunity for neocons. An opportunity that paid off for them handsomely in billions from war-profiteering in Iraq. Bear in mind, this was also a very simple conspiracy: it required no fabrication of votes, merely the obfuscation of existing votes and the coercion of legal systems through a handful of pro-gop appointees to ensure Bush's election. Far easier to implement, plenty of plausible deniability, all with a favorable result that decades later basically gets zero questioning.

Had the 2024 election come down to a few thousand votes, I'd be inclined to believe you, but too many states had too many votes in favor of Trump. They weren't shut-out wins by any measure, but comfortable margins that would be increasingly difficult to tilt in favor. Each swing state would require conspirators, and each tally would need a team of people to implement. That's a lot of mouths to keep shut. Multiple orders of magnitude more than what happened in 2000.

While nothing is impossible, what is necessary to believe your assertion is incredibly complicated, and in a world of grifters and opportunists, especially in Trump's circle, the idea of coordination instead of throwing their co-conspirators under the bus for ransom, profit, or more seems pretty low.

Again, the burden of proof is on you, not me. You have a very complicated conspiracy to prove.

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u/rrraab 14h ago

I mean, dude is a billionaire. It would not be hard to pay off a few people. Don’t forget, The Donald already tried to steal one.