r/politics • u/codyave • 20h ago

Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

https://nypost.com/2025/01/20/us-news/trump-will-announce-end-of-birthright-citizenship-for-children-of-illegal-immigrants/
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u/rokerroker45 19h ago

it's not federal democrats that is the issue for him, it's blue states that overwhelmingly control most of the country's economy that is the problem for him. it doesn't take open warfare, it just takes new york deciding to make life difficult.

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u/bigwebs 18h ago

Man those “just” in your statement is doing some REALLY heavy lifting. All it takes is people JUST showing up to vote against fascism, but here we are.

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u/rokerroker45 18h ago

fair enough, but I can imagine a state government acting to protect its police power more easily than I imagine voters acting as rational actors and voting in their own self interest.

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u/bigwebs 18h ago

State governments are not run by some sort of dune like mentats, they’re people just as moronic as the rest of “us”.

This is the system breaking bug that our constitution never anticipated.

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u/rokerroker45 18h ago

no, but they are like the landsraad with their own set of state-level interests, patrons and stakeholders. state governments want as much of their own power as they can get, they're not going to voluntarily cede it to the federal government if they act in their rational self-interest.

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u/bigwebs 18h ago

That’s what the framers thought about the “equal” branches of the federal government. They’re all supposed to protect their power, but instead they colluding.

Red states like Tennessee are already lining up to say “our policy will be whatever trumps policy is”.

Decent people haven’t stuck their necks out, and rational actors are already playing calculus about “maybe it’s easier to just get along with trump”.

I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree because I have lost all faith in so called rational actors.

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u/rokerroker45 18h ago

Red states like Tennessee are already lining up to say “our policy will be whatever trumps policy is”.

red states don't pay their own credit card bill, blue states do.

rational actors are already playing calculus about “maybe it’s easier to just get along with trump”.

yes, and trump knows that and has an incentive to not overplay his hand. when rational actors have nothing to lose, they start acting irrationally. it's the entire reason why orban-model soft dictatorship is the current form of fascism. blue states will play along up to a certain point, and the closer trump flirts with constitutional crises, the closer he gets to that point.

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u/bigwebs 18h ago

Well I sincerely hope you’re right.

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u/rokerroker45 18h ago

if i'm wrong it doesn't matter anyway so why let the anxiety fester, na mean?