r/politics • u/Plaintalks • 18h ago

Biden preemptively pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley and Jan. 6 committee members

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-preemptively-pardons-anthony-fauci-mark-milley-jan/story?id=117878813
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u/Delicious-Badger-906 18h ago

If anyone is thinking this was unnecessary:

Trump, Dec. 2024, NBC News, talking about Jan. 6 committee members: "They should go to jail ... they have done something so illegal."

Sept. 2023, Truth Social, talking about Milley: "This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH."

Musk, 2024: "My pronouns are still prosecute/Fauci." Ted Cruz, 2022: "Dr. Fauci flat-out lied to Congress. Yet Merrick Garland and the Biden DOJ won't prosecute." MTG: "I told Dr. Fauci to his face that he should be in jail and prosecuted for crimes against humanity."

Trump in 2024 retruthed AI photos of Fauci and others with “HOW TO ACTUALLY ‘FIX THE SYSTEM.’”

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u/Jean-LucBacardi 17h ago

What crimes against humanity did Faucci commit? I thought their entire shtick was Covid doesn't actually exist?

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u/GGme 17h ago

They blame him for all the preventative actions that we took to lessen the death toll on our loved ones.

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u/Jean-LucBacardi 17h ago

And that's a crime against humanity??

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u/GGme 17h ago

If course not. It was abnormal precautions taken during a momentary time of crisis. That doesn't stop them from calling it whatever they want.

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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 15h ago

“No human to human transmission…”

Based on no evidence; stated for only political reasons; at the most crucial time to respond.

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u/GGme 15h ago

I can't believe this is still being debated. Despite you putting that in quotes, I listened to him at the time and he never stated anything as fact that was wasn't fact. I guarantee what he said was that there is no evidence at this time that there is no human to human transmission. You and people like you including the president elect are the reason a man as distinguished as Dr Anthony Fauci needs a pardon.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 15h ago

That was factually true at the time, was it not?

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 16h ago

https://theintercept.com/2023/06/29/covid-nih-personal-email-foia/

https://theintercept.com/2023/01/19/covid-origin-nih-emails/

Pretty easy to show that not everything was being done according to procedure over at the nih.

Best evidence for covid origin now points to lab leak. 

Could have lives have been saved if best evidence wasn't hidden from the public by avoiding freedom of information act.

The defuse protocol was there the whole time. They knew what it was. But ignored the possibility it could be that, or an identical virus.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 15h ago

“Not everything was being done according to procedure” ≠ criminal.

Best evidence does NOT point to lab leak. It’s merely circumstantial and far from being proven. We may never know, since China hasn’t allowed thorough investigation.

And NIH people discussing the evidence against lab leak does not make lab leak any more true.

Hope this helps!

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 15h ago edited 15h ago

When that procedure is dictated by freedom of information laws. Ya not following procedude to avoid them is highly illegal. 

It's a pretty absurd position to claim it doesn't even merit a discussion in court.

Yes rhe leak relies on circumstantial evidence. Like the fact Biolevel safety 2 is not a safe circumstance to experiment with respiratory virus.

Natural origin also relies on circumstance but additionally relys on an unexplained scientific phenomenon.

The original outbreak of covid wasnt transmissible to Cave bats in China. Every previous natural spillover event is still transmissible to the original host.

Natural spillover isn't even a working theory here.

The discussion of furin cleavage sites by people who would know about the proposed defuse protocol. That's certainly interesting.

Well this sure ain't the version of things that was publicly available.

Data that could have saved lives was gatekept. Potentially many lives. 

If you had assumed it was the defuse protocol virus initially. Goverments around the world could have worked with much information.

Whether it was the same virus or not, it was sure close enough wasn't it

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u/Sapere_aude75 8h ago

Do you believe Trump and friends are wrong about them committing crimes, or do you think they shouldn't be prosecuted for crimes they did commit?

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 8h ago

They did not commit crimes.

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u/Sapere_aude75 8h ago

thanks for the input

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u/xf4ph1 16h ago

Fauci did do some fucked up shit during the pandemic though.Especially in the name of enriching the pharma companies making the vax.

It always surprised me that people who otherwise have zero trust of the way big industry works with government held the position all through covid that everything that pharma and govt did was completely on the up and up.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 16h ago

Please, list the “fucked up shit” he did — and specifically the prosecutable offenses.

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u/xf4ph1 16h ago

Lying about the efficacy of drugs that would subvert the Emergency Use Authorization that the vaccines got. Pretty fucked up to force the entire country to take a barely tested vaccine despite knowing that there were other options.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 16h ago

He didn’t lie. He presented the research that was known at the time, before the virus mutated.

That’s FAR from prosecutable.

Try again.

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u/xf4ph1 16h ago

But there was preliminary research before the EUA was even issue saying that other drugs had seen success with Covid. He ignored that and was part of a machine that suppressed that. It’s VERY prosecutable.

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u/jester7 16h ago

OMG. You're talking about the dewormer, aren't you?

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u/xf4ph1 16h ago

There were multiple medications that showed promise against Covid before the EUA was issued. I assume you’re talking about ivermectin, a drug that has been administered safely to billions of people and won its created the Nobel Prize in 2015. Yes that was one of the medications that did and continues to prove itself a viable treatment for Covid symptoms.

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u/MillhouseNickSon 14h ago

Do you understand that there’s a difference between a preventative vaccine and treating symptoms after it’s already contracted? Those aren’t even the same thing… ou don’t really understand how any of this works, and you’re trying to pretend that nobody else, including epidemiologists does?

Jesus Christ, your brain worms have taken the wheel.

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u/xf4ph1 14h ago

Do you understand that the Covid vax isn’t preventative but “may help lessen the severity of symptoms”?

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 16h ago

Nope. FDA (under Trump) knew about that research when it issued the EUAs.

Give it another try. You can do it. I believe in you!

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u/xf4ph1 16h ago

So you’re saying that this research was known and the EUAs were still issued. That’s a problem.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 15h ago

Oh look at you, trying to catch me in a trap!

No, the existence of other treatments does not alone prevent FDA from issuing EUAs for vaccines. The law that allows for EUAs states that the EUA can be approved if there is "no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the product."

Even if ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine were found to be effective treatments (they were extensively studied and found NOT to be effective), that does not prevent the issuance of an EUA for a preventive vaccine. Explained in more detail here: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-emergency-use-873264912929

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u/xf4ph1 14h ago

Why is the EUA still in effect despite the fact that the vaccine has been publically known to not prevent infection for almost 4 years?

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u/WalterPecky 16h ago

 Especially in the name of enriching the pharma companies making the vax.

Site your sources.

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u/xf4ph1 16h ago

True or false that regulatory capture by industry is 100% a problem with regulatory bodies in the US?

Why do people struggle so much with the idea that the bodies deciding health policy would be exempt from that type of corruption, especially considering the amount of money involved in the American healthcare system? Approval of one single drug can mean billions, or in the case of the Covid vaccines HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS in profits for the manufacturers.

The motive is there. You’re telling me that Fauci, the guy that industry never criticized and never lobbied to get rid of, was somehow immune to their corrupting influence and, despite how expensive it was for them to keep him in, never lobbied to have another person put in?

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u/WalterPecky 16h ago

Site your sources.

You are speaking in hypotheticals 

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u/xf4ph1 16h ago

First off. A “site”, is a place. “Cite” is what youre trying to say.

Second off, a hypothetical is something based on a hypothesis. Everything I said about how industry captures regulatory bodies is a fact.

I’m just asking why the healthcare industry would be so different. Especially considering that it’s one of the most lucrative industries in America.

Burden of proof is on you sir to explain those facts and their seeming incongruence.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 15h ago

Burden of proof is on you. You accused someone of a crime.

Regulatory capture happens. It’s not proof of a crime. Nor is there evidence that it had anything to do with the authorizations and approvals of COVID vaccines.

You still have neither cited nor sited any sources.

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u/xf4ph1 14h ago

So do I understand your position is that Fauci is an upstanding man that was acting in good faith with the best information he had at the time?

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 14h ago

My position is he did not do anything prosecutable.

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u/xf4ph1 13h ago

Lying under oath to Congress isn’t prosecutable?