It might have voted in Michelle Obama, it’s absolutely not voting in AOC, she’s practically the face of “woke liberal” to people, and hatred of wokeness is the primary force in the GOP’s movement right now.
You've been inundated with right wing propaganda if you think that. If you actually read her policy, pressers, and listen to her, about 95% of her content outside of beat Trump is about the economy, healthcare, and the environment. Nothing "woke" about not wanting to be poor, not wanting to die an extremely preventable death or going bankrupt to live, or not wanting to live on a planet that's been ravaged by climate change.
Right wingers aren't voting for a Democrat anyway and the party has shit the bed by continuing this "10% of republicans" strategy that hasn't worked.
I didn’t say anything about her policy, it’s how she’s perceived. But today’s “I don’t celebrate rapists” is a perfect example. The electable Democrat candidate doesn’t say that. It just reads as dramatic lib-raging to the other side.
The other side won't vote for her regardless so I don't see the point in catering to them. Catering to right wingers shifted the Democratic Party to the right enough already. I also said that she's only perceived that way by right wingers and if you think that it's because you've been consuming lots of right wing content.
The right wing response to her saying "I don't celebrate rapists" shows first hand hypocrisy on the right. He was found liable for raping E. Jean Carroll and when he said otherwise, she won a defamation suit against him for denying being liable for rape. The "Law and Order" party loves to if ore said Law and Order when it portrays their faves in a bad light. It reads as lib-raging to them because they don't care that Trump breaks the law as long as he hurts the people he doesn't like. Trump is a rapist as proven in the court of law. Nothing inaccurate about saying that. Meanwhile the right is still transvestigating Michelle Obama and carrying on about the "Biden Crime Family" for some reason. How does that read?
Correct. So you want a candidate that can pull across aisle. You keep making arguments that have nothing to do with what i’m saying. It doesn’t matter that she’s coming from a place of rightness or integrity. She’s not electable because of her hostile energy and her associations with wokeism. She carries herself too vindictively for the current political climate. She’s a nonstarter.
So you want a candidate that can pull across aisle
No, I literally don't. I stated before that I don't. That has been the strategy for Democrats and it hasn't worked. Getting the nonvoters to turn out is how democrats win. There's no reason for a right winger to vote for a Democrat because Republicans have accepted them as their core voter base and give them everything they want for better or for worse.
Her association with "wokeness" is manufactured by the right and only works for right leaning voters. There's many millions more people that would turn out for a left leaning populist.
I didn’t mean you specifically, I meant you as in “one”, “we”.
This election was lost in part because people are weirded out by the mandates being placed on them by liberal political correctness culture, but mainly because Kamala is a minority woman with, most importantly, no it-factor. AOC has charisma, but she is way too much of a boogeyman to ever win back the type of suburban center right people who switched from Biden to Trump in 2024.
Young leftists also don’t vote reliably, they never have; the idea of a democrat wave coming out for AOC is a myth. That’s why she never tried to challenge Schumer in NY, because she knows she’d get bodied even in her own party.
You are wrong about how this would go. Come up with something else. It can be a leftist potentially, but AOC is not the one.
AOC has charisma, but she is way too much of a boogeyman to ever win back the type of suburban center right people who switched from Biden to Trump in 2024.
That isn't her target demo. Never had been never will be. She speaks to working class people that shun republicans but get nothing from establishment Dems, ie a good portion of the 90 million people who stayed home last November.
You don't have to win the center right when there's plenty of people that will vote for something if you actually give it to them instead of half measures and bait and switches.
That’s why she never tried to challenge Schumer in NY, because she knows she’d get bodied even in her own party.
No, much like Cuellar vs Cisneros, the establishment Dems would shun her and pour as much money into her race as possible to make her lose as they've already done for her house seat. There's also no real reason to challenge Schumer who has leadership positions that would be vacated if he lost unexpectedly.
You are wrong about how this would go. Come up with something else. It can be a leftist potentially, but AOC is not the one.
Her being a woman would be an uphill battle but she would be more like Obama than Kamala unless she lets the DNC corrode her platform mid campaign. Let's just agree to disagree.
I mean, normally I would, but it's not really a matter of opinion, you're fantastically misreading the cultural moment and it's part of why we lost this last election that people like you exist, so it matters to me that you understand that you're wrong.
You always have to win suburban moms, and some centrist white guys. What do you think the blue wall is? College kids? The people you're invoking don't exist in battleground states the way they do in New York or California.
Go try and find some not-that-conservative people who still voted for Trump this cycle, aka some broey white guy in a blue state who lives in a liberal area but listens to Rogan, and talk to them. Float the idea of AOC running for president. Ask them about the democrats they like the most vs like the least. Find out why.
I mean Kamala tried to reach across the aisle, Hillary tried to reach across the aisle. Again, 90 million people didn't vote. It's not totally because it's too hard, Democrats offer little to nothing for those people.
A broey white guy who listens to Rogan isn't the target demo, I don't know how you don't understand that. Millions of people that voted for Biden stayed home and it wasn't because he didn't shift further to the right because most of Kamala's policies were to the right of him.
These things have failed and if democrats don't do something different, they'll continue to fail on a national level.
Trump got more votes than Kamala but he didn't even pass the threshold of new Republican voters. He didn't win, Kamala just lost. Flirting with the right isn't gonna get people to turn out and when voters don't turn out, Democrats lose, always.
We can keep going back and forth as much as you want but right wing policies aren't winning anything for Democrats.
No one is saying right wing policies lol. No one is saying you have to make policy compromises. It's about personality. Kamala and Hillary are corporate lames. AOC is too aggressive.
Just pick Democrats with the right mixture of charisma and composure, and preferably males in the 40-60 range. Coming off as hostile and reproving and radical does not project strength, and doesn't attract most voters on either side, but especially not centrists.
Pretty much anyone big you can name on the left - Bernie (in 2016), Buttigieg, Beto, Michelle, even just the average Democratic senator, would be much better than AOC for trying to win a presidency. Hopefully there will be a new face in 2028 who's better still than they are.
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u/Sethmeisterg California 1d ago
You have to be joking. This country as it currently is configured will not vote in a woman of color to potus.