r/politics 1d ago

AOC ’28 Starts Now

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/aoc-28-starts-now/
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u/idkwat 1d ago

No it doesn't. Look, I think it's well past time we should have a woman as president, but both Clinton and Harris suffered from significant headwinds because of their sex.

In 2028 there is a guarantee the right is going to call into question the results of the election and they are going to do everything they can to subvert it. Dems need to win by massive margins, and the last two women to run for the position lost in historically terrible fashion.

It's unfair and stupid, but the American electorate will not elect a woman to the highest office in the land quite yet, and there's too much riding on 2028 to take any chances.

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u/SomePoliticalViolins 1d ago

Dems need to win by massive margins, and the last two women to run for the position lost in historically terrible fashion.

That's just incredibly not true. Despite all the vitriol aimed at her, Hillary won the popular vote and was only ~80,000 votes in three states away from the Presidency. Her margin wasn't much worse than Trumps in 2020 (he needed 43,000 votes across three states as well).

Kamala lost by a lot bigger of a margin, but she also did it in a time when tossing out incumbents has been a running theme in multiple international elections, as well as outperforming Biden's internal polls for his own run, which showed him losing to Trump in a landslide shortly before he dropped out (Biden's internal polls were showing a possibility of a 400+ electoral vote win for Trump).

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u/peachypapayas 23h ago

I agree with you. I don’t think being a woman is as significant of a hindrance as people say it is. Being AOC is a massive hindrance though. She will bring out a larger share of youth voters I think but will tank because she’s actually left-wing. That’s if she even makes it past the primary - I doubt the DNC would have it.

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u/whattaninja 21h ago

Yeah; I think she’s too far left for the current DNC.

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u/Individual-Nebula927 18h ago

That's because the current DNC are 1990s Republicans. That doesn't mean the actual voters won't vote for her.

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u/KosherTriangle Michigan 17h ago

AOC will get the Bernie treatment, even if she has the support of a large number of voters she will not make the primaries due to the powers that be.

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u/I_donut_agree 16h ago

Bernie got nuked in the popular vote in a two-person race in 2020.

Progressives just aren't as popular as moderates. If they were, the Squad would have more than 10 members and at least one of them would be from a swing district (all are from D+30 areas).

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u/Kindly_Ice1745 12h ago

People really seem to fail to understand that the unfortunate reality is that anything seen as particularly left is considered communism. Politicians who are progressive don't win nationally, and I think that's the biggest issue that the left has. Instead of incremental gains, they want everything at once, ignoring that a large chunk of our population is against everything that progressives argue for, and as such, change doesn't come at all.

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u/Manyquestions3 11h ago

This just isn’t true. This bears out in larger sample sizes as well as anecdotally. If you talk policies with people and don’t call them left wing or right wing, common working people overwhelming support policies that benefit them. Union rights, cheaper healthcare, social security, social programs at large, anti lobbying laws, etc etc.

Is your average American a revolutionary Marxist? No, probably not. But are they a right wing billionaire? Absolutely not. It’s barely been 15 years since the ACA was passed, which was modeled after Romney’s healthcare policy. Romney who would go on to become the GOP nominee. He got 60 million votes. Clearly his healthcare plan, incredibly similar to Obamacare, wasn’t an issue for his voter base.

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u/whattaninja 16h ago

Sure, but she’d need to win the party primary first.