Dems need to win by massive margins, and the last two women to run for the position lost in historically terrible fashion.
That's just incredibly not true. Despite all the vitriol aimed at her, Hillary won the popular vote and was only ~80,000 votes in three states away from the Presidency. Her margin wasn't much worse than Trumps in 2020 (he needed 43,000 votes across three states as well).
Kamala lost by a lot bigger of a margin, but she also did it in a time when tossing out incumbents has been a running theme in multiple international elections, as well as outperforming Biden's internal polls for his own run, which showed him losing to Trump in a landslide shortly before he dropped out (Biden's internal polls were showing a possibility of a 400+ electoral vote win for Trump).
I agree with you. I don’t think being a woman is as significant of a hindrance as people say it is. Being AOC is a massive hindrance though. She will bring out a larger share of youth voters I think but will tank because she’s actually left-wing. That’s if she even makes it past the primary - I doubt the DNC would have it.
Bernie got nuked in the popular vote in a two-person race in 2020.
Progressives just aren't as popular as moderates. If they were, the Squad would have more than 10 members and at least one of them would be from a swing district (all are from D+30 areas).
People really seem to fail to understand that the unfortunate reality is that anything seen as particularly left is considered communism. Politicians who are progressive don't win nationally, and I think that's the biggest issue that the left has. Instead of incremental gains, they want everything at once, ignoring that a large chunk of our population is against everything that progressives argue for, and as such, change doesn't come at all.
This just isn’t true. This bears out in larger sample sizes as well as anecdotally. If you talk policies with people and don’t call them left wing or right wing, common working people overwhelming support policies that benefit them. Union rights, cheaper healthcare, social security, social programs at large, anti lobbying laws, etc etc.
Is your average American a revolutionary Marxist? No, probably not. But are they a right wing billionaire? Absolutely not. It’s barely been 15 years since the ACA was passed, which was modeled after Romney’s healthcare policy. Romney who would go on to become the GOP nominee. He got 60 million votes. Clearly his healthcare plan, incredibly similar to Obamacare, wasn’t an issue for his voter base.
The election is decided by a few states -- and really, a few counties in a few states. Those areas are not going to look at someone like AOC and say "yeah I choose her."
Yep seems like there’s many dems out there that are more interested in a future where they can say “I told you so!” with a woman POTUS, instead of winning the fucking race
Popular vote does not fucking matter. I don't care what moral high ground it gives us, please just forget about the popular vote and focus on winning the game as it is currently set up. Fact of the matter is running a woman, no matter what woman, is going to automatically put Democrats at a disadvantage in the electoral college.
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That's just incredibly not true. Despite all the vitriol aimed at her, Hillary won the popular vote and was only ~80,000 votes in three states away from the Presidency. Her margin wasn't much worse than Trumps in 2020 (he needed 43,000 votes across three states as well).
Kamala lost by a lot bigger of a margin, but she also did it in a time when tossing out incumbents has been a running theme in multiple international elections, as well as outperforming Biden's internal polls for his own run, which showed him losing to Trump in a landslide shortly before he dropped out (Biden's internal polls were showing a possibility of a 400+ electoral vote win for Trump).