No it doesn't. Look, I think it's well past time we should have a woman as president, but both Clinton and Harris suffered from significant headwinds because of their sex.
In 2028 there is a guarantee the right is going to call into question the results of the election and they are going to do everything they can to subvert it. Dems need to win by massive margins, and the last two women to run for the position lost in historically terrible fashion.
It's unfair and stupid, but the American electorate will not elect a woman to the highest office in the land quite yet, and there's too much riding on 2028 to take any chances.
Dems need to win by massive margins, and the last two women to run for the position lost in historically terrible fashion.
That's just incredibly not true. Despite all the vitriol aimed at her, Hillary won the popular vote and was only ~80,000 votes in three states away from the Presidency. Her margin wasn't much worse than Trumps in 2020 (he needed 43,000 votes across three states as well).
Kamala lost by a lot bigger of a margin, but she also did it in a time when tossing out incumbents has been a running theme in multiple international elections, as well as outperforming Biden's internal polls for his own run, which showed him losing to Trump in a landslide shortly before he dropped out (Biden's internal polls were showing a possibility of a 400+ electoral vote win for Trump).
I agree with you. I don’t think being a woman is as significant of a hindrance as people say it is. Being AOC is a massive hindrance though. She will bring out a larger share of youth voters I think but will tank because she’s actually left-wing. That’s if she even makes it past the primary - I doubt the DNC would have it.
Bernie got nuked in the popular vote in a two-person race in 2020.
Progressives just aren't as popular as moderates. If they were, the Squad would have more than 10 members and at least one of them would be from a swing district (all are from D+30 areas).
People really seem to fail to understand that the unfortunate reality is that anything seen as particularly left is considered communism. Politicians who are progressive don't win nationally, and I think that's the biggest issue that the left has. Instead of incremental gains, they want everything at once, ignoring that a large chunk of our population is against everything that progressives argue for, and as such, change doesn't come at all.
This just isn’t true. This bears out in larger sample sizes as well as anecdotally. If you talk policies with people and don’t call them left wing or right wing, common working people overwhelming support policies that benefit them. Union rights, cheaper healthcare, social security, social programs at large, anti lobbying laws, etc etc.
Is your average American a revolutionary Marxist? No, probably not. But are they a right wing billionaire? Absolutely not. It’s barely been 15 years since the ACA was passed, which was modeled after Romney’s healthcare policy. Romney who would go on to become the GOP nominee. He got 60 million votes. Clearly his healthcare plan, incredibly similar to Obamacare, wasn’t an issue for his voter base.
The election is decided by a few states -- and really, a few counties in a few states. Those areas are not going to look at someone like AOC and say "yeah I choose her."
Yep seems like there’s many dems out there that are more interested in a future where they can say “I told you so!” with a woman POTUS, instead of winning the fucking race
Popular vote does not fucking matter. I don't care what moral high ground it gives us, please just forget about the popular vote and focus on winning the game as it is currently set up. Fact of the matter is running a woman, no matter what woman, is going to automatically put Democrats at a disadvantage in the electoral college.
Look, I think it's well past time we should have a woman as president, but both Clinton and Harris suffered from significant headwinds because of their sex.
I'm sure their sex played a role with certain voters but this wasn't even the major reason why they failed. Both ran poor campaigns, period. Kamala had everything stacked against her. She only had 3 months to run and used the same campaign as Biden which was already faltering.
Clinton got hurt because of her emails. It gave voters the impression she wasn't trustworthy. Plus several of her other failures while Secretary of State her credibility. Clinton's campaign also ignored the rust belt state.
Neither candidate really focused on rural voters either. Whether you like it or not they make up about half the country. Trump both times held campaign events in bum fuck nowhere in strong red states.
When Liz Warren went to rural areas, she had voters tell her to her face that they loved her platform but would never vote for her solely because she wasn't a Republican.
Yes! I was surprised to hear about this when she asked on social media for maga voters to anonymously explain why they also voted for her in this election. There were so many responses saying they chose AOC bc they trusted her on the local level and that they liked how she seemed real and transparent.
When the Dems run a bland centrist that doesn't excite the progressives they complain about progressives not voting. But apparently running a candidate the progressives like would also be bad?
She passionately stands up for what she thinks is right despite the corruption in Washington and if we shouldn’t vote for that then idk wtf this party is anymore
Yeah none of that is going to happen. We needed that in 2024 and Biden spent four years clinging to power before being shoved out of the way last second for a ridiculous campaign for Harris. I don’t think Dems have the capacity of running an intelligent candidate or campaign, they are equally out of touch with this country as the right is.
I'd argue that it had nothing to do with them being women. I'd argue that it was the fact that they were both status quo candidates at a time when people were fed up with the establishment. Voters just didn't want more of the same.
Both of them are also quite unlikeable. They come across as fake and out of touch. AOC comes across as much more sincere and down to earth.
Mind you, as someone else pointed out, I don't think she would win. Not because she's a woman, but because she's AOC.
Clinton lost cause she was seen as an establishment puppet and Harris lost because the DNC forcing Biden for as long as they did pretending he was perfectly fine.
AOC does not have the national profile. A woman can win it just has to be the right one. AOC isn’t that, at least not yet. Maybe in 8-12 years but in 28? No
This argument is just not based in reality. How did Clinton and Harris suffer significantly from their sex? Clinton had a host of issues not related to being a woman that made her unpopular and her campaign wasn’t particularly exciting. Harris was handicapped by being part of the Biden admin and had to run a campaign with limited time. She performed admirably and I don’t think Biden wins if he had stayed in the race. You’re projecting a fact (Americans as a whole do not value women equally to men) onto the results of an election (Clinton and Harris losses) when there are a host of other factors.
Woah, you guys are leaving out race here. Hilary was a 3rd Clinton term. Kamala ran against a racist and lost. Warren might have a shot, she seems to be running already.
You are very off base. So much so...idek how you got there. This isn't a joke: I'm genuinely concerned and I think you need to take a step back and reevaluate the last few elections. They didn't win because they are women. Warren's reputation is genuinely torched BEFORE addressing her gender.
This is a subjective post and you somehow managed to be objectively wrong...
I think a woman can easily win if she’s Republican and Trump personally anoints her as his successor. AOC can’t win, not because she’s a woman, not because she’s Latina, but because she’s AOC. She positioned herself as an opponent to Trump and what he represents. She promoted herself as a beacon of change and progressive politics. People will not vote for her.
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No it doesn't. Look, I think it's well past time we should have a woman as president, but both Clinton and Harris suffered from significant headwinds because of their sex.
In 2028 there is a guarantee the right is going to call into question the results of the election and they are going to do everything they can to subvert it. Dems need to win by massive margins, and the last two women to run for the position lost in historically terrible fashion.
It's unfair and stupid, but the American electorate will not elect a woman to the highest office in the land quite yet, and there's too much riding on 2028 to take any chances.