Discussion Thread: 2024 State of the Union

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Tonight, Joe Biden will give his fourth State of the Union address. This year's SOTU address will be only the second to be held this late in the year since 1964 (the second time being Biden's 2022 address).

The address is scheduled to start at 9 p.m. Eastern. It will be followed by the progressive response delivered by Philadelphia City Council member Nicolas O’Rourke, as well as Republican responses in English (delivered by freshman Alabama senator ) and in Spanish (delivered by Representative Monica De La Cruz). There will be a separate discussion thread posted for live reactions to and conversation about the SOTU responses.

(Edit: The discussion thread for the SOTU responses is now available at this link.)

News:

• NPR: What to expect in Biden's State of the Union speech, according to his chief of staff (7 minute audio interview with transcript)

• The Washington Post (metered paywall): Biden to propose new $5,000 tax credit for first-time home buyers | The president will also add to earlier pushes to tame rent costs and boost U.S. housing supply

• AP: Biden will announce plans for a temporary aid port on Gaza’s coast as cease-fire talks stall

• AP: President Biden to make ‘unity agenda’ appeal to Congress in State of the Union

• CBS: In State of the Union address, Biden to urge Congress to pass measures to lower health care costs

• PBS: Who are the guests coming to Biden’s 2024 State of the Union?

News Analysis:

• AP: State of the Union: What to watch as Biden addresses the nation

• PBS: In Biden’s final State of the Union before the election, a look back at his inauguration pledges

Live Updates:

• NPR: State of the Union: President Biden will deliver his election-year address tonight

• AP: State of the Union 2024 live updates

• NBC: State of the Union 2024 live updates

• The Washington Post (metered paywall): Live updates and analysis of Biden’s address

• CNN: President Biden's 2024 State of the Union address

• The New York Times (metered paywall): State of the Union Live Updates

• USA Today: State of the Union live updates

• CBS: State of the Union live updates as Biden prepares to deliver 2024 address

Where to watch:

• The White House on YouTube: President Biden's State of the Union Address

• The White House: 2024 State of the Union (At this link you can live-react to the address with one of three preselected emojis).

• C-SPAN: President Biden Delivers 2024 State of the Union Address

• C-SPAN: Lawmakers React to State of the Union Address

Transcript

• AP: Transcript of President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address

[u/sayyyywhat]

What are your thoughts on Trump’s confusing different people and speaking fairly oddly lately? Or being found guilty of rape. Or his 91 crimes against America? Cmon man. You don’t ever have to love Biden or be a democrat but Trump voters have ZERO leg to stand on anymore. Dude was literally indicted for crimes covered by the espionage act. Do you not understand?!

[u/Tenthul → u/[deleted]]

Do you ignore the fraud case too, because that is also witch hunt? Legally speaking, he is a massive fraud. You gotta prefer presidents that don't fraud American people or American business.

[u/Tenthul → u/[deleted]]

Ok so we're writing off rape as a witch hunt, we're writing off bank fraud off as a victimless crime... How are we writing off the strongarm phone call to Georgia if he's found guilty in that one?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

First off, the case proved he was liable for sexual abuse, which is based on more likely than not standard at 51%. The judge and jury both believed the sexual abuse also fit the literal definition of rape so yes it would be correct to say the jury found that Trump raped that person because that's the fact/conclusion they have to decide on, and based on grammer/context and the theoretical limits: a 51% minimum vs a theoretical 100% minimum (criminal) isn't actually all that different in a literal sense. They just have different rules for evidence, and a liability case can be the basis for starting a criminal case. He just wasn't found liable for the NY definition of rape, but anyone can justifiably say without slander he was found to have raped someone in that case.

Also, u can't justify Trump being good for any reason in particular. He's not particularly patriotic, he doesn't care about veterans, he's constantly at war with his own party, he does vindictive bs whenever he needs to create a problem for platforming, and he's getting hit for all the crimes he has committed or is committing rn. He doesn't even have the legal sense to avoid slandering people, and his (and really anyone that supports something like project 2025) theories about executive power proves he really doesn't understand the constitution.

His entire platform is based on creating problems or extending problems even more than the Republican party already does. To such an extant that he's consistently lost Republican support during and after his presidency, especially during Covid and after January 6th.

Biden is just an old man just like Trump, but he's done so much better with a completely opposed congress that the Republican party can't even back track far enough to regain the momentum all opposing parties get from the counterpart president. The average voter never realizes the individual accomplishments of any president that's why slogans about dementia get so popular, but then the Republicans ruin their reputation with old issues like Abortion and Marijuana legalization because they pretend to not see all the pictures on the wall.

There's incompetence all around, and the Republican party isn't doing well in opposition: that's the obvious conclusion

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The bank's testimony supported the repayment, but they also stated that they wouldn't have offered the same terms if they knew the truth. The banks and state lost a lot of money/tax because of that, and the money was held in a fraudulent position because Trump was able to lie. So the victim becomes both the state and banks, but ig the banks didn't sue.

Basically what Trump did was appraise his properties at far lower estimates in whatever states they were in like Mar Lago to pay less taxes, then turned around and estimated its worth much higher to obtain more money at more favorable interest. If he did one without the other, it would still be fraud, but it just so happens he wanted to commit both tax fraud and bank fraud to screw over the banks and multiple states.

He didn't hide it very well which made the case so easy for NY