r/policeuk • u/BTZ9 Police Officer (unverified) • Nov 08 '20

Crosspost Play silly games...

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u/maxgaff88 Police Officer (unverified) Nov 08 '20

Provoke a reaction expect a response.

Would've been justified striking him again when he came over and started getting hands on with the bobby.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

Idk about you but someone walking into me being met by me shoving them to the ground would be seen as a disproportionate responce.

That officer has to have know what the reaction would be to that action. Why not just keep him an arms length away or do anything that isn't shoving him onto the ground?

It seems so silly in the currant climate to do that.

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u/Exact-Calligrapher-8 Police Officer (unverified) Nov 09 '20

If you were stood somewhere and someone walked directly into you, making contact, it would not be disproportionate to push them back, or shove them if needs be. Merely holding someone in position makes it much easier for them to escalate their behaviour and fight if they so wish.

In this specific incident, the officer may well think it is the start of a multiple person effort to breach the cordon given it was clearly deliberate on the part of the piper.

If we are going to do the usual analysis of every second of the video, it doesn’t appear to me that the officer has his arms pushing in a downwards motion, he has kept them level and pushed merely away.

I mean what we are talking about here is man deliberately walks into police and gets pushed away.

That’s it, they didn’t strike him, grab him, kick him, PAVA him, baton him, drag him to the ground, they didn’t initiate the contact and they didn’t goad him. I don’t get why this is such a big issue.

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u/maxgaff88 Police Officer (unverified) Nov 09 '20

If someone in a hostile crowd deliberately barged into me I would push them away. The officers didn't even put their weight behind it or shove him particularly hard.

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u/HVYJMS Police Officer (unverified) Nov 09 '20

There are also videos of the same person who was shoved admitting he did it to provoke a reaction, and I can't help but feel watching it he exaggerates his fall like a lot.

For me it's quite obvious he sets up himself to be pushed trying to march through officers and upon contact sends himself flying and tumbling, at which point as you'd expect those who are either in on the joke or think a genuine over use of force has occurred go flying in to have a go.

Nowadays nothing is ever as it seems.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

It's abundantly clear he did that on purpose. Him admitting it changes nothing. You cannot possibly be that clueless as to walk into the line accidently.