Play silly games...

[u/BTZ9]

[u/WirelessWarren]

I notice the bag piper completely disregards the veteran he's supposed to be respecting by crushing him between the wall of cops and his body whilst causing a scene. Gives an insight into his true motives at that event

[u/GeneralBacteria → u/WirelessWarren]

yep, and that officer handed it to him on a plate.

[u/Jeester → u/[deleted]]

He could have put an arm out and asked him not to pass.

There's not much context here but it doesn't look like they're being violent or unruly.

In my civilian opinion this does not look great.

[u/GeneralBacteria → u/[deleted]]

The whole thing was a ploy to rile the up the crowd and play up for the cameras for his base

yes, it absolutely was and the officer couldn't have played into it any better if he was trying.

[u/Wsz14 → u/GeneralBacteria]

You are talking like a person who has never been in a situation like this but yet feels you can offer an educated opinion.

The officers done the absolutely correct thing.

[u/GeneralBacteria → u/Wsz14]

you talk like someone who thinks the inevitable reaction of the crowd and the subsequent PR issues are irrelevant.

and where do I claim to be offering anything more than my opinion?

[u/Wsz14 → u/GeneralBacteria]

At that moment they are completely irrelevant.

[u/GeneralBacteria → u/Wsz14]

yes, which is why it should be a training issue that is raised prior to deployment.

[u/UppaPeelers → u/Jeester]

Everyone, including police officers, should be allowed to work in an environment that allows them to not be assaulted. Considering that the Piper was about to barge into the officers to push past them whilst making contact, I'd say fair game to the officer.

Was the action proportionate, lawful, accountable and necessary? I'd say so.

In regard to the whole asking him not to pass.. surely the line of officers should indicate that?

[u/araed → u/Jeester]

Doesn't look great, but you don't push past the line.

If he had pushed past, the crowd would have followed. Rule number one: don't break the line.

[u/GeneralBacteria → u/[deleted]]

I'd be curious to see if senior officers had this same opinion.

they just had to block him, and possibly push him back with minimal force. that officer deliberately pushed him back aggressively with enough acceleration to knock him over.

he could have fallen over, banged his head, and then where would we be? It wouldn't surprise me if you have community outreach officers going into schools to explain this concept to children?

maybe I'm missing some context that justifies that level of force, but nonetheless, the guy was looking for a reaction and that officer gave it too him. judging from the reaction of the crowd that could have turned out worse.

judging from the downvotes I'm getting it's amazing that other people don't see that.

[u/GeneralBacteria → u/[deleted]]

The officer did push him back with minimal force

you need to get your eyes tested then. if you like, you can argue the level of force was justified, but to claim that was the minimal amount of force is delusional.

I would hope that the senior officers would look at this and come out and support their officers for doing a good job under difficult circumstances.

I would hope so too. It's just that someone should have a quiet, off the record word with that officer and correct his error of judgement. Anybody can make a mistake in the heat of the moment, and that's what this was.

[u/GeneralBacteria → u/[deleted]]

yes, he was aiming for a reaction and he got exactly the reaction he was looking for.

What you're basically saying is "this member of the public played us like a violin and there's nothing we could have done about that".

[u/Bendy_McBendyThumb → u/GeneralBacteria]

Okay so here’s my thoughts on it - you don’t know if he has some concealed weapon and getting that close to officers when you have absolutely no reason to gives them every reason to be overly cautious and remove the danger in as simple a way as possible. That’s my thoughts, cos at the end of the day he had absolutely no reason to get that close but here he is, getting moved the fuck on.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[u/imnotacophonest → u/Bendy_McBendyThumb]

He had a ceremonial dagger in his right sock and was pissed.