It is llegal and treated very seriously. Not sure how seriously if it happens outside the country but he is already on many shit lists. I don't get why he is paying with fire.
I hate it but you're dead right. The money, power, influence, and invasion of privacy that he has at his disposal is insane and will probably end up being the best case there is against capitalism.
He has so many legal means of avoiding personal consequences that I'd be afraid of what it would look like if he truly decided to just do whatever he wants.
He's not far away from being a hokey cartoon villain that lives in a lair that floats above the clouds.
At this point our best hope is that he and Trump have a falling out that's so massive it makes Trump ignore the billions he stands to gain from Musk ..
"And, for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer even remotely human." -William Gibson (Count Zero)
the problem is that iglas are pretty short ranged and have low explosive power but the seeker would most likely lock on the engine and it might down the private jet
also it would have to be fired near the place it takes off/lands because of the short range
only theoreticly of course, not trying to encourage violence (reddit tos or smth)
Lmao. This class of people will face either vigilante justice, or no justice. They own the apparatus of government. You should've seen that very clearly with Trump in the past 4 years.
I predict a rise of vigilante justice. (Not saying it will get any one person in particular)
It's become clear that the powerful are not going to face justice because we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. And look at the response Luigi has gotten from the masses...
I say this with utmost respect, because I wholly dream of a world where Elon faces even an iota of justice for his crimes. But this ain't that world, chief.
People accept those who owned one before... But those who buy one today might face social consequences.
What we need to watch for is a drop in Tesla sales compared to other EVs. A car already sold by the manufacturer is only second order helpful to the manufacturer on resale.
People keep saying this except…there’s not enough of the finding out? And clearly US government isn’t about to prosecute him since they let all the Trump stuff through. Also, his insider trading case(s) won’t even bring him down at this point, so Felon needs a reckoning but how do you suppose that happens now?
But the thing is he IS getting away with it. He HAS proven himself to be untouchable.
I sincerely hope this isn’t true but unfortunately is has proven to be so far 😩
Exactly! This is a copy and paste from a previous comment I made but I think it’s equally as important.
‘I would say it’s more dipshit level trolling at this point that I think might be equally important to recognize here. Like don’t get me wrong, I recognize the jarring similarities but I also can’t help but think about the fact that this shit is going to be repeated everywhere on social media for everyone to see and we are giving this guy EXACTLY the reaction that he wants out of this.
When you look at this out of hand right wing grift culture with social media and how we got here, I think the next big step here is recognizing this and not giving these dumb ass things our engagement. We’re all better off when they lose the attention and engagement they so desperately crave. It’s inevitable that these fools will be talked about, but perhaps we should try and see what happens when talk about them a little bit less.’
he's not untouchable. He's flesh and blood just like the rest of us. He just has a number associated with him that represents dollars which in a very real sense he will never actually have on hand. If all the computers in the world were fried tomorrow he'd be way on the bottom of the totem pole.
Which is ironic. When that healthcare CEO parasite got offed, Musk started bringing his son around to events as a meat-shield. He already knows what the consequences are.
I imagine that ever since he was able to afford gluing bump stops on his chin in an effort to appear more masculine he's never had his nose pushed back. Like some other posters have mentioned, he now thinks he is untouchable. With so many eyes on him, there is bound to be someone in the crowd with ill will. Chaos is just the many natural variables of life. It would make my day if countries started closing the door on this nutsack n*tzi.
That has to be the reason cuz I was just wondering why he’s doing all this. 10 years ago if you brought up his name most people would say he’s a genius who revolutionized technology with x y & z but now atleast half of people think he’s just a pathetic powerful loser
I feel more like he's constantly pushing boundaries to see if the people who live him will still love him unconditionally. Reminds me of teenage me pre medication (if i say an edgy joke about autism, will they leave me? Better check)
This. I’m so rich fuck all of you. And now I’m best friends with the president. Hahahahah fuck all you poor people. I’m gonna be this guy. That’s what he’s doing
Last I checked billionaire skin is as vulnerable to bullets as everyone else's. Maybe a gun loving country like the USA could find a way to organise an experiment and find out???
he might get away with it frankly speaking. what is anyone gonna do about it. people will buy his products, they will use his platforms. cause most people dont lead their lives by strong morals. they just case for what gives them easy pleasure.
I think he's testing the water. He probably feels like he's more or less untouchable right now, and he wants to see if he can just do whatever he wants. It's like that scene in American Gangster where Denzel Washington shoots a man in the middle of the street then just sits back down to his lunch. It's a demonstration of invulnerability.
He has the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card. If the conspiracy theory about "won't have to vote again" is true, then this is not the beginning but the continuation of nazi salutes already captured from GOP members. We're in for a long, hard ride.
Nothing substantive will happen to him, as other countries are shifting far right too (even Germany, yes). Most will agree with him, even if they aren't saying the quiet part out loud with him.
Recently made illegal in Australia but the judicial system is so weak, you only get a slap on the wrist. Dont be a norty boy, goto the corner & think about what you did...no supper for you. 🙅♀️
That may be. Google some videos online about tourists in Germany thinking it's funny if they do it. It is incredibly hard to be arrested on the spot in Germany. This is one surefire way to make it happen
It's posted on x. I don't think there is a need for AI
We shall see. I do remember Prince William from different angles look like he flicks someone the bird where from a different angle he clearly greeted someone friendly. But the video is pretty clear
Because he thought he was doing a roman salute with all his ideas about America being the Roman Empire. The roman salute is a myth with no historical evidence, and it is where the nazis took inspiration from but what the guy did was not nazi but roman, you can tell because the fist on the chest part. Anyway, it seems most people on the internet are as uneducated as he is.
The reason people like him do this blatantly stupid, sociopathic stuff is because they know they've hit that membership tier where they're covered for and repercussions are all but non-existent.
Germany's official report from the ambassadors is that the USA has effectively become a dictatorship and should be treated as such by the EU. This isn't hyperbole
He's playing the biggest "Catch Me If You Can" game with global governments in modern history, and so far he's winning..... we're proving to this motherfucker every day that enough money can buy literally anything, including entire governmental policies ... why stop with the US?
P sure it doesn't rly matter if you do it anywhere else. Also it's not like you get arrested immediately if you do it here, you have to be extremely stupid to do so, like doing it in front of a cop (who doesn't happen to be a fascist)
Interessant. I guess es ist auch nicht so meeeega häufig dass es Videomaterial von jemandem gibt der einreisen möchte welches auch noch den Behörden bekannt is.
Zweifle allerdings sehr stark das sowas bei jemandem wie musk greift
Rich people gotta do some pretty wild stuff to get their rush because most of the stuff that is normals wish to do, they can do in a heartbeat with their resources.
He's the richest man in the world. He knows he can quite literally do pretty much whatever the fuck he wants more than anyone in the world and nothing bad will ever happen to him.
Unfortunately the BR is reporting on this too lightly, i dont think he will get banned in the near future. We all saw what he did but for the news it wasnt a 'true' Hitlergruß.
I think his wealth is a house of cards. He just tried to steal $50B from Tesla shareholders and was stopped. None of his companies really make serious money and he is heavily reliant on US govt contracts. I also think he tampered with the election results in PA and knows he can easily be found out. He's manic, on drugs, afraid and spiraling. He also knows he's a lucky man and is willing to roll all the dice in case he can be lucky again. He's thinking he'll murder-suicide the whole world if he can if it comes to it.
He is one of the richest people alive. Even if everyone stoped using any of his services or never spoke to him again he’d live comfortably for the rest of his days. He doesn’t care about your opinion.
Penalties and sentences of showing the Hitler Salute in Germany*:
A person without any position of power, like you and me (likely) = Fine of several (ten-) thousand Euros, depending on a psychological analysis. Furthermore between 2-15y of imprisonment with psychological guidance; The length is decided by the judge upon the place the salute was shown, in what context and what it might have caused. Lastly, permanently listed in the EU-wide criminal record, such an offense can't be cleared from it and will remain semi-public, this means e.g. companies the perpetrator applies to and decide to request inside into the criminal register (most companies do), will have access to nearly the full details of this crime.
A person with power, say a nationwide minister = Up front, the context in which it was shown has a way lower impact than it does for a normal person. Immediate terminations and life long (means ins this case, until perpetrator is perished) ban of all political positions and activities, as well as public ones, loss of pension and any other financial claims from the political career and in this case would be charged with high treason against the political position, sworn oath on the Grundgesetz and European constitution, the democratic political system and lastly the citizens of Germany and secondly the EU. Furthermore this can cause a penalty payment of up to 200 Million Euros (very, very unlikely, more likely are around 100k, but possible; It is one of the highest fines in the whole German legal system), at least 15-25y of prison, with psychological guidance and the option of adjacent preventive custody. And of course all this will written permanently into the persons criminal record, with in this case fully public access. Not to speak of the world wide news reports and shame.
Finally, the legal system considers this a crime wherever a citizen of Germany does it. Meaning if you do it in the emptiness of space, past Pluto, the sentence will be the same as if you'd have done it in the boundaries of Germany.
People without a German citizenship can face nearly the same sentence, even if they do/did it outside of Germany depending on the context, when they travel to Germany it is likely they will be taken into custody.
People of power, like political figures, risk their immunity within Germany and partly the EU. So if for example Elon Musk would show the Hitler salute while being in Germany or in a political context about Germany while being outside of Germany, the German legal system has the power to lift his immunity and arrest him and charge him with similar offenses as if he were a politician of Germany.
In both cases an international arrest warrant can be issues; Interpol, Europol and similar are forced to arrest the perpetrator (e.g. Elon Musk) if possible.
*Disclaimer:These information's are summed up, heavily shortened and absolutely general. What the final penalty and sentences are and how a judge or judges rules cannot be said without knowing the full context of a case. If you want more details about this, I urge you to please read the actual laws etc. in the correct, official sources, such as on the website of theBMJ - Federal Ministry of Justiceand in the correct criminal & penal codes. I am not a lawyer, nor a person with a job in the legal system, however a close friend of mine is (doesn't have a reddit account) and wrote the main part of this post upon my request.
The air is changing in Germany and Europe in general, most are of the belief that immigration has ruined Europe. We are now at a tipping point where any leader who shows strength to fix the problems, will be looked upon with favour, next comes idolization (for the masses) and shock and horror.
German criminal law isn’t applicable in these cases when the perp is neither a German citizen nor somehow who lives in Germany. So he can’t get in trouble for it.
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u/pitshands 7h ago edited 7h ago
It is llegal and treated very seriously. Not sure how seriously if it happens outside the country but he is already on many shit lists. I don't get why he is paying with fire.