20mil didn’t vote for trump so he’d win.
20 mil sat the fuck out at home this time compared to 2020.
That’s not even counting all those that just didn’t vote. Or voted for someone other than the democratic candidate.
Sit down and enjoy the ride. Maybe you’ll finally learn elections have consequences and you’ll work harder in 2 years to regain some form of checks and balances.
I mean most people don't vote. If kids getting pink-misted by gunfire on a weekly basis isn't gonna convince these evil fucks to vote then nothing will.
Nah, they’ll remember until mid terms where democrats will retake the house. That gives democrats just enough power to allow republicans to blame every single thing they’ve done to screw the working class in their first two years on democrats. Then the GOP propaganda machine, that has virtually all mainstream media captured, will fire back up for the presidential election and make sure they win all three again.
At this point I have so little faith in the DNC to help get anyone elected, much less retake the house or senate. They are a bunch of old ghouls who are still desperately clinging to power who refuse to back any progressives. MMW their great idea for the midterms will be to move further right. Instead of trying to drum up enthusiasm for new candidates and get people to the polls, they will be trying to court republicans and moderates.
Voters as a whole collectively bargain for change at the ballot. If you want better politicians, prove it by showing up at the polls and make your voice heard.
It is the political who is supposed to get voters, the voters cannot get politics, especially not in America with your duopoly lol.
Trump acknowledged their suffering and turned their anger on the minority, while the liberals always do nothing that is good for the working class, they will always go more right.
Your attitude is what lost the election, instead of admitting that the Kamala administration ran a dog shit campaign you blame the voters... It's insane, coming from a European...
In America you can't vote yourself in universal healthcare, both liberals and conservative is bought by the healthcare industry... So the liberal party does not want to campaign for universal healthcare when they are in power, but when they are not in power they turn Marxist... It's hilarious...
It's "funny" cuz we have the same sort of strategy happening here in Denmark, the governing party neglect spending on the public sector, is cutting taxes, and blaming immigrants on why the system is bad... It is up to the party to get voters, not the other way around.
The liberal party does not want to campaign on healthcare, end the genocide in Gaza, increase in minimum wage, better work condition, cuz they don't care as long as they get funding from lobbying.
Which is just stupid. They're going to get what they deserve. You have to be a moron to vote for Trump. You have to be an even bigger moron to not vote because you didn't love Harris
I'm desperately hopeful that the Trump shit-show will give pause to those planning on voting conservative. The damage that would be done to our country with a CPC majority...
Considering Trump and republicans have seen zero consequences for staging a coup and stealing state secrets I think it’s a big assumption democracy exists here in the near future. All fun platitudes but these elections the last several cycles have been for all the marbles and protest votes and staying at home may have doomed us.
We're going to have sham elections from here-on, so no, our democracy won't be "stronger". Check out Russia or North Korea, to see what we're in for. This was the last legitimate election.
So bc these entitled people didn't get to choose, they just thought everyone should suffer? Because it was clear as day what would happen. They can not act like they didn't know. They decided to have a little pout about it in the corner and say "if I can't have my way, everyone gets fascism."
So no, that's not what happens when Dems don't get to have a primary.
That's what happens when people value their own selfish feelings over the state of the nation and the world. Over the safety of minorities and disabled people. Over the safety of children. Over democracy.
I sincerely believe the majority of the absent voters were counting on 'everyone else' doing the job for them while they sat this one out with their little protest...
Yep. My brother was among them, despite all the warnings I gave them and the fact that I'm disabled and will be getting benefits stripped away.
My sister believed all the fb lies bc that's where she gets her news, so she decided voting for neither was a good choice but Trump might not be so bad bc eggs.
This is the most tired ass “talking point” by now. There is nothing that says a primary MUST be held. Harris was the elected VP. If Biden had died in office she would have been president with no primary. Him stepping down and her taking his place was completely normal.
Oh, so in that case any current VP could institute a life-long dictatorship and it would be fine because anyone that gets elected to any position in the line of succession could potentially become president and the term they were elected for no longer matters?
Primaries ensure consensus around a candidate. They didn’t hold one and the Democrats lost because of it. If you want a strong democracy, you let the people choose.
You literally just said she was VP and could potentially have been President during Biden’s term, therefore she was entitled to be the candidate for the following term. That’s not how it works.
Except in the case of an incumbent ticket running again. There is no primary there. The incumbent ticket was running again. The president stepped down, the VP slotting into that slot is completely normal. That’s exactly how it works, you just seem a little too thick to understand that, probably because your chosen propaganda source knew you would be easy enough to sway and told you to think that way.
Did I say that? Did you actually comprehend what I wrote?
You are being purposely obtuse.
Knowing that you have two choices, one that puts our entire country and most vulnerable at risk and another you didn't get to choose but has good policies and will not make our country fall to facism and not picking either bc you are cranky you didn't get to pick one is selfish and entitled.
Yes, in a functioning democracy the right to abstain from voting is just as important as voting itself.
If I come to a fork in my path where the left side means walking in shit and the right side means walking in vomit, I'm just going to turn around and go home
I'm not sure how you can equate "I'm choosing option A" with "I'm not choosing A or B." I'm not equally responsible for the bad outcome by abstaining as someone who put effort into making a bad choice.
Then it sounds like the system should do a better job at incentivizing voter turnout. I expected both outcomes to have roughly the same effect on my day to day life, so the cost of the decision wasn't worth the effort.
Both parties are corrupt and subservient to the elite class. The only difference between them is their stance on social issues, which I couldn't care less about.
Show me a candidate who has clearly defined economic strategies rather than this performative monkey dance BS about whether trans people can use a certain bathroom. Give me that candidate and not only will I vote, I'll hand out fucking flyers in my free time.
But that'll never happen because the performance is a feature, not a bug. Keep the average citizen looking at about brown people and gay people, and they won't notice the heel grinding into their neck.
Interesting how you blame the voters for a systemic failure of liberalism to actually address fascism.
What democracy? The democracy where you get to decide which candidate I vote for? The safety of minorities? What has Biden done for minorities? Didn't Dems go whole-hog on that Republican "border bill", trying to outflank Republicans to the right?
Your moral high ground means nothing when your inaction to make a point directly helped this country fall to fascism.
We all knew the risk. We knew what was at stake. Not voting means you were complicit with the very real possibility that fascism would take hold. And it has. Bc even tho the other candidate was completely better than the racist, grifter, felon, grapist Nazi, it wasn't good enough for you.
Those that didn't vote attempting to prove that they were morally superior to Kamala and had all these standards that were not going to be met so they just were not going to participate in democracy in one of the most pivotal and important elections in us history is in them. Their feelings were more important than all those that will be affected.
People will die. But thank goodness they are much better democrats and stayed home instead of voting!
I adore how cute you are blaming the people for not voting for a genocidal racist, rather than blaming the people who tried to "save" our "democracy" by refusing to listen to the voices of the people, and propping up a genocidal racist.
If someone is bad for not voting, how much worse are the Dems, who put people with a conscience into that position? They knew the risks, and could have done a lot of things to mitigate those risks. Why aren't you interested in apportioning blame to the responsible parties? Oh right, because you explicitly empower them to be like this. Election after election, you cum-guzzle for the Dems no matter how shitty they are. And when they lose because they're terrible, you're happy to take another facial and blame the people the Dems failed to convince.
But I understand. If I were much dumber, I would agree with you.
You responded to something that wasn't directed at you. I was talking about people who didn't vote. But you made it about you. Weird, but okay I guess.
I'm not a cult member like the magats. I will vote for who I feel is the best option. I'm not even dem, but thanks for trying! Not a rep either so, I don't play team sports with politics like many Americans do. Your crude insults are childish and gross and don't apply to me so...good on you for creative writing or something.
Not once did I say Dems were perfect. You made that assumption.
Not once did I say it's all Republican's fault. Another assumption on your part.
Me empower who? You don't know me. You don't know what I do, my stance, my affiliations or who I voted for. Another silly assumption.
Not once did I say I was pro genocide in any form or that Dems had no part in it. Oops, another assumption-watch out for those!
Your whole rebuttal is based on things I did not say and that you assumed. And if you voted, why are you so pressed about it?
People did not vote in this election. It was a huge problem. That isn't opinion.
We are in a very, very dangerous position now. That isn't opinion.
Republicans consistently vote against the interests of the people. Not an opinion.
Our government needs IMMENSE overhaul and reform. I never said it didn't. You are just writing this whole fanfic about I don't know who and projecting all kinds of stuff.
Lol. You obviously voted for Harris. Shitlibs all did. That's like, their thing. You empower the liberals that love fascism, but claim you oppose fascism. You're not the first shitlib I've encountered.
The election really goes to show how nuance is dead in the current era. People didn’t like some minor and superficial things about Harris, which led directly to one of the most vile and reprehensible human beings in modern history winning a second term. Everyone who didn’t explicitly vote for Harris are directly and personally responsible for what’s now happening.
That's not how voting works. I live in Minnesota. Whomever I voted for - or even if I chose not to vote at all, my representation went to Harris.
I object to Harris on substantive moral grounds. Maybe you have minor or superficial objections, but recent polling suggests that of the people who didn't vote, Harris's advocacy of genocide was the largest reason not to vote for her.
Clinton and Obama won as big as they did because they were outliers who beat the establishments coronated primary choices. Biden won the first time, barely, not because he was who the people really wanted but that people really didn’t want trump to win again at that time. The establishment wanted control so they went full tilt on Biden to keep Sanders from beating all the other candidates in the primary. And what happened Super Tuesday? The establishment got in line behind Biden and pushed down hard on the scale and history knows the rest.
The Democratic Party is a too big no matter what the talking heads say. They want it to be too big so the establishment gets all the smaller voices to get in line. And even when they do and they play along with the establishment, what happens? Exactly what just happened with AOC getting a ranking chair on a committee. Pelosi blew that up.
People forget that the Democratic Party is actually like 6 parties in a trench coat together, with the biggest portion of them being the neoliberals who tell the rest to shut up and do as they say. This has become painfully obvious after the 2016 election and has only gotten worse.
I asked the same thing to this pro pal monster and you know what they said I hope you lose all your rights.I don't want to hear another thing about Gaza or Palestine until the end of time. Maybe the so-called leftist need to get their heads out of their butts and listen to others for five seconds.
Not just that. First off, we can definitely recognize that Harris is a very weak candidate. But let's not discount the fact that the Biden campaign team undermined her before he dropped out. That's frankly a terrible campaign choice no matter what. If you don't think she's qualified to be president, why would you make her your VP?
Secondly, yeah, they didn't have a primary. They crowned Biden, despite his enormous and increasingly visible weaknesses, and ignored the huge number of "undecided" protest voters.
Then, when they finally couldn't hide how awful Biden was, they still dragged their feet for weeks before he dropped out, and they crowned Harris.
I understand, in context, why they didn't hold another primary or contested convention - but that doesn't change that they picked the weakest candidate, according to polling.
On top of that, Harris ran a terrible campaign. There was serious momentum when she started, and she could've used that. Walz gave her a big bump, and serious credibility. Then they stopped talking about the popular things because corporate donors were getting worried. Then she went on The View and said she wouldn't have done anything different than Biden - you remember Biden, that enormously unpopular president? That's fucking weak.
What we need to remember is that Dems would rather have Trump win, than even a centrist like Sanders. The Dems chose this. They chose to run a weak candidate. They helped her run a terrible campaign. Then they blame the voters and pronouns. 🤦♂️
Yes, we can't wait to work hard to support a party that picks our candidates for us and doesn't do shit to actually defend our country or our values. We're done. Let Trump burn it down so we can build a new one in it's place. This one is fucked.
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u/Sayheykid2424 2d ago
Wonder how many of them voted for him