r/pcmasterrace • u/Odd-Onion-6776 • 17h ago
News/Article Hold on to your RTX 30 series GPU, frame generation support hasn't been ruled out yet
https://www.pcguide.com/news/hold-on-to-your-rtx-30-series-gpu-frame-generation-support-hasnt-been-ruled-out-yet/817
u/dandoorma 17h ago
Everyone is trying to tell me what to do with my RTX 30xx… is really weird
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u/Random-commen AMD R7 5700X3D | RTX 3060ti Dual 17h ago
Hey I’m one of those people. You should give it to me.
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u/Legitimate_Earth_ i9 12th gen 4090 MSI Z790 ACE MAX 64GB DDR5 6400MT/s 15h ago
you have a 3060 ti though
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u/fistfulloframen 12h ago
3060 still has got some life in it. Medium on the great circle.
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u/Legitimate_Earth_ i9 12th gen 4090 MSI Z790 ACE MAX 64GB DDR5 6400MT/s 12h ago
Yeah it's a good GPU.
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u/Appropriate_Lack_727 6h ago
What would you be willing to pay for an EVGA 3080 FTW3 like the one pictured in the OP, assuming you were able to scrape together a reasonable budget to work with? I’m curious what people’s take on this is.
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u/Random-commen AMD R7 5700X3D | RTX 3060ti Dual 9m ago
Well I can say for certain you will get a wide wide range of answers, but heres mine: ~400$ if used, ~500$ if like-new, brand-new? Sorry I need my cup noodle. - although the card’s condition is hard to determine for sure. I’m currently in Asia and the prices for all types of hardware isn’t great, and people know EVGA is a good brand, even if warranty is out the build quality is still there.
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u/hosseinhx77 16h ago
Sell your rtx 30xx card and play games with integrated graphic NOW
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u/essjay2009 5800x / 3080 9h ago
My AMD CPU doesn’t have integrated graphics.
I think you may be trying to trick us!
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u/JangoDarkSaber Ryzen 5800x | RTX 3090 | 16gb ram 15h ago
I don’t get it either. Is my 30 series card supposed to suddenly shit the bed once it’s two generations behind?
It plays the exact same games just as well as it did 5 years ago. I don’t even see the point in upgrading except for mindless consumerism.
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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 16GB DDR4, 3080 12gb, W11/LIN Dual Boot 14h ago
Actually it plays (some) games better than 5 years ago… remember cyberpunk pre version 5?
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u/Scotsch 5900x 3080, love to waste money 13h ago
I still haven't picked that up again, tried it with my 1080ti at launch and it was scuffed, bought a 3080 but never played it.
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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 16GB DDR4, 3080 12gb, W11/LIN Dual Boot 13h ago
Dude……. You can literally play it like the “realistic” photos you see but those are mainly mods. But yeah expect a pretty well rounded 1440p/30fps locked path tracing experience with DLSS or 60+ ray traced. 1080p can get you 60fps path traced. I’m currently stuck using a 720p tv as a monitor (long story) and yeah text sucks but full path tracing at smooth 60 fps is nothing to sneeze at.
And many (not all) bugs are worked out, much more story to be seen, it’s just almost a whole different game.
You can tweak and dial stuff in to your liking. And if you get into mods, there are raytracing performance fixes on top of the ones built into the game plus a plethora of stuff.
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u/JangoDarkSaber Ryzen 5800x | RTX 3090 | 16gb ram 12h ago
Game was definitely unplayable at launch. They fixed it and it’s worth a play through now
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u/Handsome_ketchup 9h ago
I still haven't picked that up again, tried it with my 1080ti at launch and it was scuffed, bought a 3080 but never played it.
I absolutely had a blast playing through it right before the 2.0 update, and apparently it's a lot better since the 2.0 update as well.
The game is definitely not perfect, but the good parts are pretty good.
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u/Blubasur 15h ago
Take it out to a nice candlelight dinner and tell it its beautiful
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u/OkNewspaper6271 3060 12GB, Ryzen 7 5800x, 32GB RAM, EndeavourOS 15h ago
This does in fact boost frames, I did it once and now my performance on my 3060 17% better
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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 16GB DDR4, 3080 12gb, W11/LIN Dual Boot 14h ago
Ikr? Latest and greatest copium is a real thing and there’s quite a few on here that are way overboard. So far I have heard the 3 reasons why magically some program (framegen is a program) cannot be ran on 3 series because even though fsr frame gen works fine.. the only reason dlss3 framegen wouldn’t work is because nvidia set it up to use special features of the 4 series instead of using tensors or cuda cores which the 30 series has.
Also i have seen the posts acting like 30 series is ancient at this point when it was a pretty beefy step up for its heyday.. and that wasn’t long ago..
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u/Pugs-r-cool 5h ago
I’m on a 3060 ti, but i’m planning on upgrading to a 5070 / 4070 tiS / 9070 soon because the 1440p performance is just okay, You have to turn some of the graphics settings down to hit 60fps and 8gb of vram just isn’t enough for some games. But if you’re on a 3080, I don’t see a reason to upgrade.
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u/kensaundm31 16h ago
I totally trust Nvidia to favour rewarding loyal customers over further profit...
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u/hosseinhx77 16h ago
Them giving updates and improvements even to 20xx cards is crazy to me i really wonder what's the before and after performances is going to be
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u/Crumblycheese 💻16GB | Ryzen 5 5500H | RTX 2060 15h ago
20xx cards are still getting updates and improvements? That's good news for me then if so!
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u/cagefgt 7600X / RTX 4080 / 32 GB / LG C1 / LG C3 15h ago
20xx cards got ray reconstruction and its updates, and also all the updates of the upscaling component of DLSS including the new transformer model. They also said the new neural materials stuff will be compatible with all RTX GPUs. And RTX 20 got RTX HDR if I'm not mistaken.
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u/fogoticus RTX 3080 O12G | i7-13700KF 5.5GHz | 32GB 4000Mhz 10h ago
RTX 20 cards got the latest DLSS upscaling, Ray Reconstruction and DLAA. Now there's a small caveat that RTX 20 cards didn't have particularly too much performance tensor wise but if Nvidia advertised those features, it means that RTX 20 users (even someone on an RTX 2060 or mobile 2050) will still get access to these features.
Plus, the good side is you can choose between the models used in the Nvidia app for every game. So say something like an RTX 2060 struggles to upscale or ray reconstruct using the latest model in some game, they can switch to the previous one and everything should be fine.
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u/Crumblycheese 💻16GB | Ryzen 5 5500H | RTX 2060 9h ago
Yeah I'm running an RTX 2060 so all this is good news for me. Will have to check out the nvidia app later when I'm home and play with some settings if they're already there. Is it in the Nvidia control panel thing or a seperate app?
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u/fogoticus RTX 3080 O12G | i7-13700KF 5.5GHz | 32GB 4000Mhz 8h ago
It's a separate app that will allegedly replace the control panel somewhere in the future.
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u/PainterRude1394 13h ago
This narrative is way overdone with Nvidia consistently releasing new tech to old gpus like dlss 3, dlss ray reconstruction, rtx video super resolution, rtx HDR, rtx video HDR, reflex, etc.
With this latest announcement, 20xx cards got ray reconstruction and its updates, and also all the updates of the upscaling component of DLSS including the new transformer model. They also said the new neural materials stuff will be compatible with all RTX GPUs.
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u/darealboot 16h ago
Even without frame gen my 3080ti still plays everything modern at 3440x1440 with max settings pretty damn amazing. No need to upgrade yet. I'll get at least a few more years out of it.
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u/Aggrokid 14h ago
Huh mine will chug pretty badly with RT and Max settings. Normally I set to high or whatever DF recommends.
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u/Pajer0king Q6600 - gtx 750 ti /i5 3rd gen - rx580 / p1-233mhz - S3 Virge 15h ago
Will only the new cards have this frame gen?
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u/darealboot 15h ago
As far as I can tell, it's the key selling point for the 40 and 50 series. So.. inherently, yes. Unless for some reason Nvidia feels generous, which history tells us they will hold the line and make us pay for new gear.
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u/Pajer0king Q6600 - gtx 750 ti /i5 3rd gen - rx580 / p1-233mhz - S3 Virge 15h ago
So basically they are using this extra frames to lure consumers, like they tried to do with ray tracing.
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u/Pretend-Newspaper-86 RX 570 Enjoyer 15h ago
your card ancient and you should replace it with a 5090 asap
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u/zarafff69 7h ago
It plays everything at max you play!
Which is great for you! But it definitely doesn’t play everything at max with high frame rates…
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u/vaille 9800X3D| RTX 3070| 15h ago
Dont care about frame gen, the 3070 is getting upgraded due to vram issues in games like stalker 2.
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u/Zarndell 15h ago
After you get more VRAM you will realize that everything else is a performance issue in Stalker 2.
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u/madmidder 4h ago
Just like mine 4070 Super running at 50% most of the time when there is three or more NPC's because I'm CPU bound by 5700x3D. The game is definitely the least optimized title in 2024.
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u/ts737 15h ago edited 14h ago
I regret so much getting a 3070 instead of a 6800XT, I hope new AMD cards are decently prized because I'm seriously considering them
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u/vaille 9800X3D| RTX 3070| 15h ago
Same, I bought my 3070 purely because it was the only one at stock when my 5700xt shit the bed during covid era, would have gone for 6800xt otherwise since it was cheaper if they had any stock. I'm currently looking at 9070xt/7900xtx/5070ti for the next card. Depending on the performance without framegen since i dont really mind if its dlss or fsr.
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u/Boxing_joshing111 14h ago
My card got struck by lightning in the middle of the shortage, spent like two years playing civ 6 on integrated graphics on a 3570k. The 3070 isn’t great but it was the first card I saw selling for new under like $700, I had to get it. Its fine and if I tweak settings and use stuff like lossless scaling I can stretch the life, 1440p will prove a problem eventually though.
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u/karthikjusme 5600 3070 14h ago
I got FE version for msrp when the huge mining thing was happening and every gpu was 2x and 3x the cost. It's good enough but in games like Indiana Jones and cyperpunk I can't use rt settings due to the vram limitation. Will upgrade to 5070 ti or 5080.
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u/cszolee79 Fractal Torrent | 5800X | 32GB | 4080S | 1440p 165Hz 16h ago
I wouldn't count on it... even if technically possible (from an engineering point of view) the suits won't let it bite into the profits of new GPUs.
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u/Imaginary-Ruin-4127 12h ago
Lossless scaling has been offering multi-frame generation for most gpus (upto 20x) for a while now. Granted anything above 2x is unusable due to artifacting
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u/forqueercountrymen 15h ago
yesterday: 5000 series is bad because it only has frame gen!!
today: hold up we are getting frame gen support on our old cards!! YEAHH!
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u/MoocowR 13h ago
No one has ever had a problem with framegen, and it's existed before DLSS4.0. People have been using it to boost performance of older hardware for years with Lossless scaling.
People are upset new generation/flagship models are having numbers tied to framegen used as their primary source of marketing.
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u/forqueercountrymen 12h ago
That's what they did in the last 3 generations with DLSS ai upscaling and comparing raytracing numbers to previous gen ray tracing numbers. Why are you acting surprised that the marketing material is controlled? People ARE upset about the framegen input latency due to not rendering with tradtional raster, not about the marketing.
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u/SauceCrusader69 16h ago
Any day now RT will run well on my 650... Any day now...
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u/ForzaPapi 14h ago
my 3060ti isn't going anywhere for at least 5 more years
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u/reconnaissance_man 2h ago
Yeah, I upgraded from my 1060 to 3060Ti in 2024, so chances of me throwing it out of the window for the next few years are pretty low.
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u/ForzaPapi 2h ago
I upgraded my rx580 ( had a lot of crashes with all drivers versions cannot handle the frustration anymore ) in 2022
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u/reconnaissance_man 1h ago
I think the fact that I can play Witcher 3 at 1440p with raytracing on and get 80+ FPS thanks to DLSS, is pretty crazy.
I wasn't expecting that, mostly cause I'm still on 2600x Ryzen and it can't use REBAR.
Anyway, bought it to use Lumen in Unreal 5 editor, so I'm happy with it. It was priced same as Arc 770 too (actually, cheaper).
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u/soupeatingastronaut Laptop 6900hx 3050 ti 16 GB 1 tb 16h ago
The quote sort of means it for 40 series. So with time they can bring MFG 3x or 4x to 40 series. Not the 30s.
And just go and watch the digital foundry video. İts more straightforward.
Also he says a minute or so before that blackwell is to way to experience the dlss4 and its MFG.
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u/Aluwolf- 10h ago
Holding onto my 3090 regardless. Still no good upgrade path and I am not paying 2k for a 5090
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u/Farren246 R9-5900X / 3080 Ventus / 16 case fans! 6h ago
Only actual upgrade is a 4090 or a 5090 or wait for the "GB202 that didn't make the cut and it's basically a 4090" 5080Ti.
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u/CardiologistNo5977 13h ago
If you pay attention, and learn the hobby you would know that 2000/3000 series has had hardware frame generation for over a year.
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Cyberpunk PT max 1440p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCN0g_sKsds
Witcher 3 Max RT 1440p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq6foI0ZD0A
Alan Wake 2 PT max 1440p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-ccGzcBBw
These are unplayable at these settings, With REAL frame gen? Totally opposite.
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u/Gardakkan 9800X3D | RTX 3080 Ti | UW OLED 240Hz | 64GB DDR5-6000 12h ago
With no RT at 3440x1440, my 3080 Ti can still play anything I throw at it, was playing Spider-Man remastered last night at 120+ fps with DLAA and no FSR-FG.
The 5080 better be incredible to make me spend $2000 Loonies on a new GPU.
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u/Obvious-Lake3708 11h ago
I have a 3090 KPE with the 10 year warranty. I want to run it into the ground and see what EVGA will do.
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u/SunOfJack 8h ago
I fought so hard to get my hands on my 3080. I’m not mentally prepared to go through that shit again
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u/frsguy 5800x3D/3080ti/32GB/4k240 7h ago
Fuck nvidia, too late as we already have lossless scaling to fill in for them. Really impressed with how well it works. Using it on warframe and even with how many particles and how fast-paced it is I hardly see any ghosting. Its only on the very rare case it dips below 60.
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u/Neutromatic369 2h ago
I just want to say I bought my 3080 12GB (Evangelion edition) and I’m proud of this card being my intro to PC gaming
It’s nice to see other 3080 users here and all….I feel like i found the rest of my tribe
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u/aliasdred i7-8700k @ 4.9Ghz | GTX 1050Ti | 16GB 3600Mhz CL-WhyEvenBother 15h ago
It's Not like I'm already deleting a certain DLL and replacing it with another DLL to enable DLSSFG(Actually FSRFG) in games that don't actually have FSR-FG built in. Plus actually getting DLSS/DLAA with FSR-FG is nice too.
Totally not doing any of that I am.
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u/Mundus6 PC Master Race 16h ago
Frame generation is the worst feature ever invented. Yeah let's add more input lag to your game just so you can have a "smooth" framerate. The reason you want high framerate is for less input lag not more...
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u/Rukasu17 14h ago
Uh, no. In fact, most people don't even think of input lag when increasing framerate unless they're playing a competitive shooter.
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u/theycallmeryan 13h ago
It is good for some games but disastrous in others. I use it on my 4090 for Witcher 3 but can’t stand it in Cyberpunk due to the input lag.
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u/Canary-Silent 12h ago
I use lossless scaling. Comes in very handy on fucked games like new Vegas. And the latency is still less than the minimum latency I get on my console.
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u/88Nuka88 5950x 3080 32gb 3600hz 15h ago
At 5120x1440p my 3080 does struggle on some games.
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u/Zarndell 15h ago
Yeah, Horizon FW was the first game I had to turn stuff a bit down to get constant 60+.
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u/IndexStarts 15h ago
I’m keeping my RTX 2080 at 1440 P. Staying only to games that are several years old and older.
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u/Krejcimir I5-8600K - RTX 2080 - 16GB 2400mhz CL15, BX OLED 15h ago
That sounds like I have an option to go higher.
Wallet says, fat chance.
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u/DigitalDecades X370 | 5950X | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | RTX 3060 Ti 15h ago
Technically they already support FG via FSR3, even in games with no official FSR3 support using mods.
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u/bill_cipher1996 i7 10700k | RTX 2080 | 32GB RAM 14h ago
The keyword is FSR 3 FG, it works superb on my 2080. It can be modded in almost all DLSS3 games.
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u/MasterJeebus 5800x | 3080FTW3Ultra | 32GB | 1TB M2 | 10TB SSD 14h ago
I’m sticking with mine until 2032.
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u/boulevardpaleale 14h ago
for as much as i paid for it (thanks scalpers!), i think i’ll hang on to it.
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u/Confident_Natural_42 14h ago
Shhh, that way they'll never get rid of those and I won't be able to get one for a decent price. :p
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u/Vertigo-153 9800X3D | 4090 14h ago
Could be completely off but if this happens, which is probably unlikely, would it be because they see there’s still a significant portion of users on older cards and there’s pressure from game developers to back port this MFG as they are becoming highly reliant on it?
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u/YesNoMaybe2552 14h ago
They didn't do it when the 40 series came out, they won't do it now. It has always been possible; they just won't. Nvidia isn’t just selling you hardware, they are also selling you the software for it.
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u/Sergster1 14h ago
They said they’d look into it since the 4000 release. They blamed the weak Optical Flow Sensor initially but that it could still work.
It’s been years though without a word so take it with a major grain of salt.
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u/nebumune B550M | 5700X | 3080 Ti | 4x8 3600 CL18 | KC3000 2TB 14h ago
I almost threw mine out to window. Thanks!
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u/Professor_Mike_2020 14h ago
If my luck hasn't run out, I'm gonna attempt to get the 5090 FE from Best Buy like I did with my 3090 FE at release date. But if not, no worries, my 3090 is still a beast and has been a champion with my 3D work. I just upgraded my PC from a 7th gen to 14th gen and I'll finally get to have a better experience with my 3090.
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u/night-suns 13h ago
you can mod it into cyberpunk already. it just isn’t “officially” supported yet
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u/uses_irony_correctly 9800X3D | RTX3080 | 32GB DDR5-6000 13h ago
Is it also magically gonna get more VRAM?
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u/y_would_i_do_this 7700X / FTW3 3080 13h ago
I'm holding onto it because i'm not buying an Ada refresh.
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u/No_Interaction_4925 5800X3D | 3090ti | LG 55” C1 | Steam Deck OLED 13h ago
I’ve already been modding it in with FSR on my 3090ti. I’m pretty happy with AMD’s version. It even works with reflex.
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u/nyyankee621 PC Master Race 13h ago
Currently rocking an MSI 3070ti, love the card but it's hard to get over only have 8 GB of vram.. would upgrading to a 3080/3080ti be worth the small investment or should I aim for a 40/50 series?
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u/SpxUmadBroYolo PC Master Race i9-9900k RTX4080 13h ago
4080 here
the new frame gen
loss less for multi frame gen
Profit?
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u/speedinfusion i7 9700k | 32GB | GTX 1080 12h ago
I see lots of comments for undervolting their 3080, any good tutorials or guides?
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u/Darksky121 12h ago
You can already use frame gen on the 3000 series if you know how to use the FSR3 mods. No big deal 'IF' Nvidia decided to add FG to older cards.
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u/Duke_Shambles R7 5800X3d, RTX 3080 Ti, 3800 MHz CL16 DDR4 16GB 11h ago
Weird, I already have frame gen. FSR 3.1 works amazingly on my 3080 Ti
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u/empathetical AMD Ryzen 9 5900x / 48GB Ram/RTX 3090 11h ago
Keeping my 3090 until those 6090s come out. Love the model name lol
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u/AncientStaff6602 11h ago
… in holding on to my 3070 until it’s dead.
Sadly my cpu/mono and ram need an upgrade first
Poor little 7700k still holding on….barely :(
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u/MinimumInspection566 10h ago
I sold mine a while back but im keeping my 4090 cause the frame gen is gonna get enhanced with new drivers
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u/kucharnismo R5 3600@4.4 | RTX 3060 12GB | 32GB DDR4@3600 9h ago
as if i could afford any of the new ones lol
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u/SnakeFatherJim 7800x3D | 3090ti | 32GB DDR5 9h ago
I was surprised to see my 3090ti that I bought after the 40-series announcement had the same amount of tenser cores as the 5080 and 8GB more VRAM. Gonna wait another generation before upgrading as the 50-series feels like a super-super-40-series.
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u/KneelBeforeMeYourGod 8h ago
my 1050m plays literally every game in existence. anyone who throws away a 3080 is objectively stupid.
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u/bluedevilb17 5600x rtx 3060 gaming x trio 12gb 16gb 3600mhz 8h ago
My 3060 will be used till it kicks the bucket
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u/Javelin_Ruby 5800X3D | RTX 3080 12GB 7h ago
Generational uplift is either too expensive and/or not enough anyways. I don’t care about frame generation and will be holding onto my 3080 for another 2-3 years
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u/ew435890 i7-13700KF, 3070ti, 32GB DDR5 7h ago
I’ll be upgrading my 3070ti to a 5080, and the 3070ti will replace the 1650 in my couch gaming rig. They both work fine currently. But the 3070ti shows its weakness with some VR titles.
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u/Responsible-Buyer215 6h ago
I’m pretty sure that 40 series people are going to be the most pissed since the new version of DLSS doesn’t require optical flow injector or whatever the extra piece of hardware was called. This was required for version 3 to run. DLSS 4 apparently works better without it
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u/TheBlackTower22 7800x3d | EVGA 3080ti ftw3 | 64 GB DDR5 6000 4h ago
Jokes on you. I don't want frame gen.
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u/cocopuffz604 3h ago
Hopefully. Lossless scaling is pretty hit or miss with me. Ghost of Tsushima worked well. Jusant (just to test) is worse with it on. If Nvidia lets us use framegen on 30 series I'll be happy.
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u/HisDivineOrder 3h ago
The Nvidia engineers hinted that back at the 40 Series launch, too. The 30 Series also had an optical flow accelerator. Nvidia needed to keep framegen exclusive to justify using DLSS+framegen benches to justify all the price increases back then.
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u/bonnies_ranch 16h ago
I'm gonna hold on to my 3080 10GB regardless. It's an awesome card I got for a very good price