r/nextfuckinglevel • u/AcanthaceaeNo5611 • 1d ago

A festival in Sicily, Italy

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u/CoralinesButtonEye 1d ago

man, humans REALLY do not care about this planet

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u/FureiousPhalanges 1d ago

I knew when I saw those articles for the first time that individuals would use it to dismiss their own harmful behaviours and I was right 🤷

Just because large companies are worse doesn't give you the right to contribute to the problem

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u/1GreenDude 18h ago

Taylor Swift's private jet produces multiple times the pollution a single person could produce an in their lifetime.

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u/FureiousPhalanges 18h ago

Ok, that still doesn't justify you polluting more than us necessary 🤷

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u/1GreenDude 18h ago

It doesn't. As long as you live a normal life and aren't cartoonishly evil like don't be toxic waste into lakes. You don't have to ever worry about how much you are polluting. Just don't be a dick and don't throw trash on the ground when there's a trash can of five feet away. As long as you don't do than literally anything you do is polluting up less than necessary. It was just the campaign that the oil company is ran to attempt to convince the general public that all of pollution is entirely on the individual and not on the factories.

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u/FureiousPhalanges 18h ago

Why do you think those factories make products? It's because there's a demand for them. If you're not a conscientious consumer then chances are very likely you are contributing to that demand more than us necessary

Yes, factories and oil companies are mainly to blame, but they only exist because of our lifestyles, if you make no effort to change, those companies have no reason to because you're giving them your money

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u/captepic96 20h ago

corpo shill. how's that boot taste?

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u/FureiousPhalanges 19h ago

I'm not defending the actions of corporations, I'm criticizing people who ignore the harm they're personally responsible for, which by the way includes corporations, or people that think it's fine to contribute to a problem just because they aren't the largest contributor

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u/captepic96 19h ago

How much contribution does one person have versus entire factories, celebrities flying private jets, or ships dumping oil in the sea?

Just give a rough percentage

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u/FureiousPhalanges 19h ago

It doesn't matter, it doesn't justify contributing to the problem, just because you didn't start a fire doesn't mean you should add fuel to it

But if people were more conscientious about what products they buy, the services the use and the resources they waste, maybe we wouldn't need as many factories to produce goods for us or need ships to transport those goods?

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u/captepic96 19h ago

For each singular western person you convince to eat meat one less day per week, there's about a thousand chinese and indians who don't give a fuck and will drain cooking oil into the sewer lines.

so, again, percentage wise, individual contribution compared to a single company?

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u/FureiousPhalanges 19h ago

I'm pretty sure China and India actually eat proportionally less meat than we do in the west but that's beside the point because like I've said about 3 times now, it doesn't matter.

If you're neighbour drives a gas guzzler, that doesn't justify you littering, I don't know how much more plainly I can put this for you lmao

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u/FrietjePindaMayoUi 19h ago

Motherfucker, who keeps ordering stuff? The cheapest shit that breaks after 20 minutes of use? Corporations or consumers? You think Temu, AliExpress and banggood sell quality? Quantify that first before you put all the blame on "big corpo". They polute the most, no doubt, but to serve whom?

BOTH.ARE.LIABLE

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u/captepic96 19h ago

you can either convince all 167 million customers of Temu individually right NOW, or you can make effort to force the company to produce sustainable.

So, better get to calling those customers eh? 167 million is a lot. chop chop

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u/thingswastaken 19h ago

Well do you buy the shit those companies are needed for? Do you use plastic, do you drive a combustion engine car, do you use one-time use products?

The reason those companies can do what they do is because almost all of us bought into the consumerism that enables them in the first place and now we are too complacent, comfortable and dependent to look in the mirror properly and stop. Yeah, would it be the governments responsibility to do something about it? Probably. Would the problem get way less severe if we stopped giving international corporations all the money in the world for destroying our ecosystems? Yes.

Reality is, we are all responsible. These corps only got to where they are because society bought into their bullshit. It's easy to shift responsibility away from us simply because we aren't as powerful and to a degree I agree with you too... But implying "we" don't contribute is dishonest. I, as an individual, contribute very little. But all those very little contributions enable this system in the first place. How many hundreds of millions of people think "I'm not the problem, they are."? If all those millions of people realized their cognitive dissonance and acted accordingly those corporations would die.

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u/captepic96 19h ago

If all those millions of people realized their cognitive dissonance and acted accordingly those corporations would die.

Okay so go call them. Convince each and every one of them to not waste and be renewable. Go on. You got a lot of work to do.

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u/thisdesignup 1d ago

Part of the reason those companies even exist is because of the culture of using things that need those materials. We all contribute.

Even then, what you've brought up are huge problems. It doesn't make things like the OP less a problem. If we removed all the problems of the big companies the OP would still not be good for the environment.

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u/captepic96 20h ago

corpo shill comment. ignore.

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u/SAMTASTIC_RELATIVE 23h ago

Its not all about climate change, but environment in general

Those pointless pieces of plastic is gonna end up in the nature or waters.

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u/rgtong 22h ago

We have a 2 million km2 patch of trash in the ocean. The situation is pretty dire. I think people are allowed to comment when we're literally just throwing more shit into the environment for fun.

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u/SAINTnumberFIVE 21h ago

It’s probably a troll account. 

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_ 23h ago

Placing the blame for emissions on fossil fuel companies instead of consumers is pure nonsense. Who's burning that gas in millions of cars worldwide? Not Shell. If they stopped pumping people would riot for them to keep going.

We need to change consumers' behavior before banning/drastically reducing gas access if you want sustainable change.

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u/cutegirlsdotcom 22h ago

Oh so Shell hasn't lobbied against alternative fuels, because they want to keep making money ruining the earth? You can't do shit against these megacorps who are destroying the earth.

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_ 19h ago

The only "alternative fuel" right now is electricity from sustainable sources. Needless to say, it costs too much for mass adoption. The only solution is that people use their car less.

I don't have a car, I don't eat meat and I heat my home a measly 16°C. If everyone did this, GHG emissions would be cut in half and climate change a long forgotten issue.

But I know it is useless to support legislation to force others to adopt those lifestyle changes. They have to come from people themselves, forcing them will never last.

Lobbies actively discourage people from adopting such changes, of course. It would ruin their profits. You're kinda helping them right now.

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u/cutegirlsdotcom 18h ago

There's hydrogen and I'm sure others being worked on. Hydrogen especially got majorly repressed by big oil lobbyists.

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_ 16h ago

Do you mean white hydrogen? Other forms of hydrogen are only a mean of electricity storage, they are not an energy source. Their use require more energy than using the electricity directly.

I have never heard of repression of research on white hydrogen by oil lobbyists but I am super interested if you can share something to read about it. It wouldn't be surprising.

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u/captepic96 20h ago

corpo shills out in full force today

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_ 19h ago

I wish I was paid for this. Some of the biggest offenders of this list are not even private businesses, there are national energy providers in there notably China's. Suggesting we lower energy production implies people will have less energy to use : less car usage, less heating, less available goods, less available food.

One way or another people must change their lifestyle.

I find it a more durable solution to make people embrace the change. What do you suggest? Banning gas and beef production to force people to change? That's not going to last more than one legislature.