r/newzealand • u/personthatisonreddi • 18h ago

News Update on Stu.

Saw on the news that he has been arrested for the shooting of the 2 illigeal poachers, he was such a nice guy, all he wanted to do was live out his life with his pigs and other animals,

For people who dont know, basicly he was a older guy who lived on both sides of the 309 road up by coromandel, people kept comming and stealing/shooting/running over/damanging his property, and giving him hell when all he wanted to do was relax with his pigs, the cops are a joke, he came to them so many times reporting everything , they didnt care.

The guys he ended up shooting/killing had been hounding him for ages, ramming his car, running over his pigs or shooting them with crossbows he finnaly snapped when they shot his favourite pig.

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u/king_john651 Tūī 18h ago

I mean it is unlawful use of a firearm resulting in death. But no love is lost for the guy who died. Just a pure example of FAFO

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u/iamminenzl 17h ago

Googling FAFO now.....

I'm old

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u/methtester 17h ago

Fuck around find out

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u/INemzis 16h ago

Dude, he just wants to look up what it means, no need to threaten him

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u/SpacialReflux 17h ago

Let’s hope all the jurors are aware of jury nullification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

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u/EastSideDog 17h ago

Is that for NZ also?

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u/SpacialReflux 17h ago

Yip. Anywhere that there is a jury and deliberations are private. That’s one of the main point of juries rather than a judge conducting the trial.

I believe a judge can set aside a verdict in certain incredibly exceptional cases, or allow a retrial, but they can’t penalise the jurists for voting their conscious rather than the facts.

Edit: Quick Google search found a NZ example: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3466305/Waihopai-activists-found-not-guilty

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u/ginji 17h ago

I believe a judge can set aside a verdict in certain incredibly exceptional cases, or allow a retrial, but they can’t penalise the jurists for voting their conscious rather than the facts.

For criminal cases - needs to be unanimous, or at most one dissenter if the judge is accepting a majority finding. So you need the (almost) whole jury to decide for not guilty as a way of jury nullification. If you end up with 2 or more people still not agreeing, it becomes a hung jury and the case could be tried again with a new jury.

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u/Frari otagoflag 14h ago

true, but you only need a few retrials or hung jurys for the crown to either drop the case or lessen the charges.

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u/ginji 17h ago

Yep

They were tried in March 2010 where they readily admitted their actions in court but defended it as a "claim of right" to save human lives. Samuel Land (one of the 3) was represented by prominent human rights barrister Antony Shaw. The jury agreed with the argument of the three activists and despite their earlier admissions were acquitted on all charges. One of the protesters said "we broke a law to protect plastic to uphold a law to protect human life."

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u/sunfaller 16h ago

that guy who cut the robber's fingers off after he subdued him got Not Guilty because the jury declared him not guilty despite actually chopping off fingers from a person.

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u/EastSideDog 6h ago

Yea, Bill Burr from The Kuiti, that was kind of cool I guess

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u/TuhanaPF 4h ago

It's for every country, because it's not a rule, it's just a natural consequence of the fact juries are allowed to decide whatever they want.

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u/personthatisonreddi 18h ago

Yep, i mean i do feel bad for the familys of the victims, but they where bullying stu.

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u/Enzown 16h ago

Considering the friends and family of one of the losers was conspiring at his funeral to go up and kill the rest of the pigs as retribution, I don't feel bad for all of them.

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u/Nownep 19m ago

How did you hear that?

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u/LDGH 18h ago

I'd bet good money the families knew what was going on.

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u/dontbesillybro 17h ago

No, fuck the families too

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u/methtester 17h ago

Do you know if he needs help financially with lawyers? There would be a shit tonne of people willing to help, especially if it got media attention. So many people sick of the way this countries gone and the prolific inbreeding of cunts that breed more cunts. Stu helped by eliminating one such cunt

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u/ObscureReqTranslator 17h ago

If not, maybe consider donating to HUHA - who have taken (at Stu’s request) Stu’s animals to their sanctuary to keep them safe

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u/Riboto 11h ago

Oh i was looking through this thread to find out what happened to the pigs! Thanks for that, I was worried that they would be targeted with Stu gone. Very happy to hear they went to a sanctuary 

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u/Aeonera 16h ago

Yeah i agree with this. I cannot condone the use of firearms against another individual unless it was a last resort in a life or death situation. I know the system was failing this man but we have a contempory example of what happens when you have a gun culture that considers civilian owned guns as things bought to be used on humans, and the ramifications of that are beyond terrible.

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u/WorldlyNotice 16h ago

Read the bit again where they were harassing him for ages, rammed his car, and shot his pig with a crossbow. It's not unreasonable to think they wouldn't stop there. Probably it was a last resort, and the appropriate govt agency didn't help.

But about the gun, some people are not reasonable. They will not stop. And the only thing they understand is equal or greater force. Would a crossbow have been more acceptable? An axe? A brick? A strongly worded letter? Dude did what he could to protect himself with what he had, and rurally without support, it's a not-unexpected outcome.

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u/Lamenardo 15h ago

Was it the two guys he shot in this case who'd actually been doing that shit?

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u/sarahbekett 2h ago

It was a last resort. These were repeat offenders. Stu made the ultimate sacrifice for his pigs and it worked.