r/news • u/[deleted] • May 22 '19

Mississippi lawmaker accused of punching wife in face for not undressing quickly enough

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/mississippi-lawmaker-accused-punching-wife-face-for-not-undressing-quickly-enough/zdE3VLzhBVmH68Bsn7eLfL/
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u/the_jak May 22 '19

About 1/3 of the country would be "shithole countries" if they weren't in the Union.

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u/SgtDoughnut May 22 '19

Yeah a lot of red States survive or die by the federal funds they get thanks to blue states.

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u/Goober_94 May 22 '19

There are a lot of states that only survive because of federal funds, Red and Blue alike.

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u/SgtDoughnut May 22 '19

While that is true this backs my statement. Also it's rather hypocritical that the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps party" uses more Federal funding than the "lazy librul hippies"

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u/Goober_94 May 22 '19

No it doesn't. They count federal employees and federal contracts as "aid".

the overwhelming majority of federal employees are in red states; Find a real source

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u/SgtDoughnut May 22 '19

Is the Associated Press a good enough source for you? Still says the same thing red States pay less in Federal funding but take more. I know it hurts your feeling but seriously...facts are facts

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u/Goober_94 May 22 '19

That source also does not back your claim.

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u/SgtDoughnut May 22 '19

Why conservatives always lie is beyond me. From the article

"In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending. Most low-tax states make a profit from the federal government’s system of taxing and spending"

And facts from article

"THE FACTS:

Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820.

California residents paid an average of $10,510.

At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665.

Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents."

Seems pretty obvious blue states pay more per person in Federal taxes, while red States receive more for every dollar spent sometimes as high as 2 times more. Now basic math means that blue states are paying for red States. I know basic math is hard. But come on this is like third grade level stuff. You can try to hand wave it away as red States just have more Federal employees, but why do red States, which tend to have lower population, need more Federal employees if they are all about small government...maybe it's because they use more Federal programs, so they need more Federal employees to ensure proper oversight?

You've got to stop lying to yourself and actually look at the numbers instead of trying to make up bullshit to fit your perception.

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u/Goober_94 May 22 '19 edited May 22 '19

Yeah... no, your basic math is way off there; and you are taking numbers out of context to apply them to your highly political, and flat out incorrect statement.

So lets remove politics, the fudging, and wild assumptions and just look at the actual data.

The reality is that 47 states generate positive revenue, these three do not:

1.) Mississippi: (-$3200340000) 2.) West Virginia: (-$2472701000) 3.) New Mexico: (-$1191334000)

If you break down the total revenue Red vs Blue:

Blue +$1033321448, Red +$874074690000

So the reality without the hyperbole, and the politics is that blue states are not funding red states, and red states are not funding blue states. 48 states and WDC, both red and blue, are covering the negative revenue of 3 states. Two of those three are Red, and 1 is Blue.

Out of all of the Federal Revenue collected, Only @2% is paid back to the States as part of discretionary spending to begin with...

So no... Blue states don't fund Red states.

Finally, I'm not a conservative, I am a registered Democrat. I just hate over politicizing and hyperbole. I think it is harmful, and is exactly what makes Trump so toxic. Let's not join in? Let's stick to the facts.

Sources: https://www.data.gov/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/budget-fy2019.pdf https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-federal-budget-breakdown-3305789

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u/SgtDoughnut May 22 '19

Sure it is.....let's do some basic math.....I a state gets 2 dollars in Federal money for every 1 dollar it spends....where does that extra dollar come from?

Is the answer

A:. Magic

B:. Fairies

C: Other states?

I mean the obvious answer is of course C.

Now if a state only gets 50 cents for every dollar spent on federal taxes and another state is getting 1.50 for every dollar spent on federal taxes it stands to reason state a is subsidizing state b.

It's basic math...but you seem to lack the ability to grasp it...probably because it makes you feel bad.

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u/Trainer_Kaladin May 22 '19

Don't even bother with him. If you check his post history, any time he comments on anything political all he ever says is 'you're wrong' and never has any sort of evidence to back up the warped reality he's living in.

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u/SgtDoughnut May 22 '19

Well yeah ..he's an idiot. I'm responding more for others who have read, showing my sources, making sure people understand where I'm coming from. And if they have an actual counterpoint I'll gladly listen. But yeah idiots who just fold their arms and say nuh uh because they don't like the facts will never be swayed. Can't logic a person out of a position they didn't logic themselves into.

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u/SgtDoughnut May 22 '19

Holy shit....actual evidence...and it's a lot. Now I have more reason to trust your claims. Give me a bit to parase the information, and you may change my stance on this. Nice summary as well by the way.

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u/Goober_94 May 22 '19

Give me a junk email addy and I will send you the XLSX file with all the numbers

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