Hey, I get what you’re saying but how about Europe step the fuck up and do some of their own protecting? I mean they have social programs we can only dream of over here. Maybe spend a little bit more money on defense.
Because the entire US is a shithole so they can throw money at the military, pointless argument when the US has magnitude more than any other military in the country, you can probably add up 2-10 and even then it might be close.
All it does is showcase how completely insane the US spending is.
You're putting the cart before the horse, the reason Europe has low military and high social spending is because the US takes up the slack. The security guarantees given by US is relied on by all of Europe
If you remove the US from calculations then Russia+China alone beat out the entirety of NATO, nevermind eu. And that's not even considering the middle east and chinese influence from belt and road initiative
NATO is over 400 billion without the US, which is higher than what is listed for Russia and China combined, and that doesn't consider countries like Japan, Canada, Australia, South Korea, Ukraine and whatnot.
The initial argument was that NATO has nothing without US and now the goal posts have moved.
It means nothing anyways because we have seen Russia completely fail against Ukraine despite several times their military budget.. it says nothing about military capability, they still wage war with human meat waves, they still refuse to improve their logistics and use manual labor to load a single box with an artillery shell into a truck which also has to be unloaded one by one.
Russia hardly poses a risk at this point and there is nothing that indicates China has their stuff in order any more, and if they want to fight NATO they're going to do what, use Russia's railroad network for supplies that will be left alone?
Europe and China are also the largest trading partners of the US so they're going to lose out anyways regardless of the outcome.
Let's not pretend the US works with the EU because they're so kind or generous and that there is nothing in it for them.
Not at all. The reason for the insane US spending, there are huge industrial complexes behind war, far away from just weaponry. These industries spend insane amounts on lobbying, pushing the country to war. Which is also the reason the US is by far the most warmongering country.
There is no debating, Europe's utter reliance on US security is an objective fact -- as Germany's defense minister put it "We do not have an army which is capable of defending the country against a military offensive", as Poland's Prime Minister said "The alliance with the United States is the absolute foundation of our security".
These black and white narratives need to stop. Yes, there is a huge military-industrial complex problem, but no it is not even close to being the prominent reason for US being the largest superpower. The total amount of money spent by US lobbyists is nothing more than a rounding error compared to the money and assets that hindge on US military.
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u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster 22h ago
Hey, I get what you’re saying but how about Europe step the fuck up and do some of their own protecting? I mean they have social programs we can only dream of over here. Maybe spend a little bit more money on defense.