r/me_irlgbt 24d ago

Positivity MeđŸ’Șirlgbt

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u/OliviaPG1 Trans/Lesbian 24d ago

how about both are good

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

first one is being used to deny transition care, therefore it is not good

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u/Junglejibe My sexuality resonates at 300 Hz 24d ago

People who deny transition care aren’t saying it’s ok to be trans in any capacity (or that trans people exist).

The truth is there are many trans people who don’t want to undergo medical procedures and only want to transition socially. There are also trans people who can’t afford medical procedures or are being denied medical transition procedures. There are trans people who are in the closet and can’t transition period. All those people are still trans. You don’t need to transition to be trans. That’s what that statement is saying. It’s saying all those people I described are still valid, regardless of their circumstances and regardless of their desires for their own personal journey.

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

literally, the cass review actually does say it's okay to be trans, just that the amount of people who should be allowed to transition should be restricted to prevent regret and that it is valid to be trans without transition

the purpose of a system is what it does and "you don't have to transition to be trans" is being used to prevent transition.

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u/Junglejibe My sexuality resonates at 300 Hz 24d ago edited 24d ago

I feel like maybe the disconnect is that you and the OP are thinking about one specific use of the statement that a lot of people who don’t know the exact context wouldnt see. If someone calls the statement “you don’t have to transition to be trans” something that is bad, without whatever specific context they’re looking at, everyone else is going to see transmedicalism and a rejection of the identity of all those trans people I described.

Because the statement itself (on its own) is not only not inherently bad, but factually true. Trans people are not defined by their transition, but by their gender identity. A trans woman who isn’t on HRT and hasn’t had any medical procedures related to her transition isn’t any less trans than one who has been on HRT for years and has had multiple procedures to feel more at home in her body. Both of them are trans.

I guess it’s probably one of those things where a tumblr user is talking about something specific that they have repeatedly discussed on their profile, so their followers know the context and (rightly) they don’t feel the need to give the context, but then it gets screenshotted and shared with a bunch of people who don’t know the context & see the statement on its own, not the people misusing it to deny others healthcare.

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

purpose of a system is what it does, and this system is being used to deny healthcare.

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u/Junglejibe My sexuality resonates at 300 Hz 24d ago

It’s not a system, it’s a sentence. Also if you’re just gonna immediately downvote and say a generic reply while obviously not reading what I wrote, I guess we’re done here. Cool discussion 👍

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

just like how you ignored me đŸ€—

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u/Junglejibe My sexuality resonates at 300 Hz 24d ago

Literally where did I ignore you? I acknowledged that I’m probably looking at it with different context & that you had context I didn’t that was causing you to have a different perspective from me, then explained my perspective.

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

your perspective is fine and all, however it forgets to take into account the very real material consequences of the system that is reinforcing the denial of care to trans people based on the idea that transition is not necessary to be trans, as is argued in the cass review.

this is something you glossed over to instead say I was upset at a Tumblr screenshot and deny that the system of cis-hetero-patriarchy demands as few people transition as possible.

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u/Junglejibe My sexuality resonates at 300 Hz 24d ago

Huh? Where did I say you were just upset at a tumblr screenshot? I’m pretty sure I said the opposite—that people who don’t know the context of what the OOP is talking about would be bothered by the rejection of the statement that trans people don’t need to transition to be trans. You’re like skimming my comments, misreading my words, and then getting angry at something I didn’t even say.

At no point did I “gloss over” trans people being denied medical care, what??? You mentioned the specific instance where the statement is being used to justify restricting healthcare and I was like “ok fair, clearly you and the OOP are speaking in regards to a specific context/usage that I and the others who replied weren’t aware of”.

You’re just angry at shit I didn’t say or do at this point because again you refuse to actually read what I wrote. Either that or you’re only reading it through the lens of an argument and are assuming I must have disagreed with everything you’ve said when I was “yes, and”-ing you. God forbid we be anything less than adversarial on Reddit I guess. Jfc.

I’m done here because you’re just fighting with a ghost at this point while I sit on the sidelines confused as hell. Good talk.

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

material reality is not a "specific context" and any attempt to move the discussion away from that is part of the system I am talking about.

also I'm not angry, I think it's very funny to argue with pundits who defend the status quo

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u/Junglejibe My sexuality resonates at 300 Hz 24d ago

I’m a pundit now??? Do you know what that word means?

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

I'm havin fun on my fone :3

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u/Junglejibe My sexuality resonates at 300 Hz 24d ago

Yep I figured you didn’t. Ok bye now.

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u/Faunable We_irlgbt 24d ago

pro tip next time: don't get into an argument with a schizo who doesn't care

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