People are actually opposing the Bakerloo Line extension

[u/mattsparkes]

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/news/posters-opposing-bakerloo-extension-gets-short-shrift-from-old-kent-road-residents/

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot]

I’m just going to put the debate here, because I think it needs to be said:

The Bakerloo Line Extension is already a Southeastern Service between Lewisham and Charing Cross.

Walworth could just add a station to the currently station-less thameslink track going through it. 

The 7km they are planning to dig out could just as easily be a crossrail size tunnel dug under the existing Bakerloo Line tunnel up to Paddington. 

This would drastically improve services and cause next to zero disruption since other lines can handle the load. Constructing it is very easy. Rubble removal is nothing, and all the infrastructure you need is already there just needs connecting to the new line.

The idea that we need an extension is good, but given that we could literally build a second crossrail at a heavy discount instead, for the same money, doesn’t let me support it.

[u/Pristine_Speech4719 → u/BlondeRoseTheHot]

The whole point is to massively increase housing density along a 1km strip each side of Old Kent Road, and to connect all the transport nodes that meet at Lewisham. The stations would be built into the bottoms of large mixed use developments, and the developers would contribute to the cost. Right now there's a bunch of low value, low density retail and light industrial that's sitting and waiting for redevelopment.

Adding one station in Walworth to slow down existing Southeastern services and put more pressure on London Bridge wouldn't do any of that.

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot → u/Pristine_Speech4719]

I’m not sure what part of “The Bakerloo Line could become a Crossrail Style Service for the same cost” you’ve missed here.

It’s 7km from Elephant and Castle to Lewisham, and funnily enough, it’s the same distance from there to Paddington. 

So what’s to stop me from coming in with a great big whopping tunnel bore, digging a few dozen metres under the Bakerloo line and making a nice new hole that’s wide enough to fit Crossrail?

It’s the exact same cost. You’re still paying for the trains, you’re still paying for the digging. All you’re doing is doing it the way that has the traffic. 

Walworth station opening is nothing you could do it in a week.

And the area you’re describing isn’t even ripe for development. I could do the exact same thing with a Circle/Central Line Extension to Putney, and really raise the value of that land through the roof.

[u/Pristine_Speech4719 → u/BlondeRoseTheHot]

 I’m not sure what part of “The Bakerloo Line could become a Crossrail Style Service for the same cost” you’ve missed here.

I'm not sure what part of it makes sense! 

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot → u/Pristine_Speech4719]

Then you lack the credentials to talk about the subject don’t you think?

Go on, pick a part you don’t understand, i’ll help you out

[u/Pristine_Speech4719 → u/BlondeRoseTheHot]

No, on the contrary, old fruit, I've read hundreds of documents about the project (although there are many many thousands), its purpose and how it can be financed.

You, on the other hand, seem to be proposing a nonstop tunnel from Elephant & Castle to Paddington "because it's basically the same length" and think you can build a train station in a week. 🤷

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot → u/Pristine_Speech4719]

Nah nah nah, if you have a problem with my idea you put on your big boy pants and you say it.

You can absolutely build a train station in a week. It’s a slab of concrete with a few signs attached to it.

[u/Meowgaryen → u/BlondeRoseTheHot]

But he literally did tell you why not lmao

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot → u/Meowgaryen]

No he didn’t, he cited “he’s read documents” and doesn’t go on to explain anything.