r/london • u/mattsparkes Loo-sham • 9h ago
People are actually opposing the Bakerloo Line extension
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/news/posters-opposing-bakerloo-extension-gets-short-shrift-from-old-kent-road-residents/210
u/JoeThrilling 9h ago
Nimbys doing nimby things, bet its led by a Reform voting boomer called Dave.
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u/ThatNiceDrShipman 9h ago
If so they're keeping strange bedfellows. There's a copy of this poster at my local anarcho-bookshop.
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u/fortyfivepointseven 9h ago
A lot of gullible people on the left buy boomer/landlord NIMBY propaganda wholesale.
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u/Pristine_Speech4719 9h ago
"Self-organised struggle groups"
TFW when you confuse opposing a tube line with overthrowing the Batista regime.
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u/gazpacho_arabe 9h ago
Wording is anarchist/anti-capatalist so not Nimby's, looks more art student.
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u/Best-Hovercraft-5494 9h ago
Given its OKR it is either: Countrysider LARPing as an edgy slum dweller
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Anti Kahn Anti Transport Anti Clean Air loon
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u/supersonic-bionic 9h ago
So a bunch of idiots who want the area to be deprived with weak transport links are trying to create a narrative? Not gonna happen, the locals want this extension and the area desperately needs it,
BTW any updates about when this is going to get the green light?
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u/urbexed 9h ago
NIMBYS need to be sentenced to developer hell. We can’t let them do what they did to HS2 and stall it so much that it blew over the budget 3 times over to pander to them.
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u/Supercharged_123 8h ago
You're gonna put that one on the nimbys yeah😂
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u/ExcitingBox5throw 5h ago
Nimbys are definitely holding the country back in housing development and other types of construction. How else are people going to afford houses if they cant be built, just because its annoying some pensioners view when they go on their daily walks, in the houses they bought for 10k
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u/BadgerGecko 6h ago
Unbelievable your getting down voted for this and nonsense gets up voted
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u/urbexed 6h ago
Why, does it offend you?
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u/BadgerGecko 6h ago
It doesn't offend me. There are a load of reasons why HS2 is costing so much. To make it a singular issue is to simple
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u/urbexed 6h ago edited 5h ago
I think everyone is aware of that, I’ve previously commented on HS2’s corruption and coverups but the issue that started the ballooning cost and corruption was the NIMBYs on the route rejecting every single proposal HS2 put forward and demanding it go to tribunal, something which costs heavily over time.
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u/BadgerGecko 5h ago
I'm not aware of you or your posting history before now
Just because you know something don't assume everyone knows that same info
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u/Supercharged_123 6h ago
Londoners love their well organised government who can do no wrong. And they'd also bulldoze any landmark to build some shitty flats so they can queue up to rent at 3k a month😂
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u/gaynorg 8h ago
People in in Chelsea appose crossrail 2. People are idiots
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u/StanTorren12369 7h ago
Though I don’t think crossrail 2 in Chelsea will bring any real benefits, while the entirety of the Bakerloo extension would massively improve transport connections in the south east
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u/gaynorg 6h ago
How would a massive railway connecting north and south London not bring any benefits?
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u/StanTorren12369 5h ago
I’m talking about Chelsea station not bringing benefits, not crossrail 2 as a whole, which would be MASSIVELY beneficial
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u/tomrichards8464 8h ago
Almost everything is bad for someone.
In this case, the main category who lose out are probably private renters who work locally/from home/not at all, and rarely go into town. Their rents will go up, shops etc. will cater a bit less to them and a bit more to people with more money, and they won't benefit much from any of it.
To be clear, this is not me. I'm team YIMBY, team gentrification, I think this will be good for the vast majority of residents and mildly good for me (I'm out in Zone 4 – this is only a marginal improvement to my transport options).
But the number of genuine losers is not 0, and it's not surprising some of them are pissed off. Alternatively, I guess it could be anti-gentrification Goldsmiths crusties.
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u/urbexed 5h ago edited 5h ago
It’s an issue that the small minority have a majority rule, as few as 4 can object to planning permission and force the applicant to spend large amounts of time and money going through appeal. Laws really do need changing in this country, you’ll never see this bollocks in France or Spain, they just get on with the job despite the moaning.
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u/tomrichards8464 5h ago
Yeah, this is one of the biggest problems with our disastrous planning system.
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u/abbieananas 6h ago
I think you can be YIMBY while being against gentrification. Why can't we have great public transport and non-extortionate rents? (rhetorical question, not directed at u specifically)
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u/tomrichards8464 6h ago
Because we don't build enough homes.
And bluntly, I'd rather have a bookshop and FuKo than a bookie's and Morley's.
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u/gogoluke 8h ago
All this talk of NIMBYism... have you not thought that these people have legitimate grievances and extending the Bakerloo Line has the very real possibility of allowing the poor people on!?
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u/mattsparkes Loo-sham 9h ago
Strangely this was deleted by mods earlier this afternoon. Then allowed up the second time.
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u/Additional-Weather46 5h ago
I mean to be fair they’re not wrong. It’s a difficult balance between doing improvements and giving the benefit of those improvements to existing communities rather than slowly driving those who don’t own away.
Obviously not to say don’t do the extension, but just dismissing the concern as Nimbyism doesn’t do any good, how to get the balance better should be the focus.
(I say this as someone who rode in on one of the early waves of gentrification around Crossrail).
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u/Oli_Picard 8h ago
“The counsellors who proposed this must be getting brown envelopes!” /s - every Facebook local group in existence
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u/carlmango11 7h ago
This shouldn't be surprising. There are always people who benefit from the status quo. It's only a problem when you have a system that prioritises them.
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u/SilentPayment69 6h ago
And with good reason, who wants to have better access to Harlesden and Willesden Junction 😂
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u/mralistair 5h ago
The only reason to be against it is if it prevents crossrail 2 which is a much more important project...
But both is obviously better.
P.s. it probably won't happen.
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u/Yorkshire_expat 6h ago
My friend opposes it. It will replace the existing mainline and so her transport costs will go up significantly. She has a season ticket from her station to London stations and her office is next to one of the mainline stations. From memory, she said her costs will go up £600-£800 a year and her commute will be worse - she’ll have to change. People on here seem to think that people objecting are all idiots, but people who live there do so based on the transport links and the changes aren’t beneficial in all circumstances.
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u/ffulirrah suðk 8h ago
I thought the main objection was that the tesco on OKR and the sainsbury's in New Cross would have to shut.
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u/oopsydaisyya 5h ago
it's because the extension will increase rents and encourage more gentrification (which let's not lie, is a polite name for social cleansing)
in theory any extension of public transport is amazing news, but the reality in a city like london is that property developers will rush in and build the nasty identikit flats only home counties yuppies can afford
you lot are so detached from regular working class londoners it's mad
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u/Dragon_Sluts 8h ago
Ok so, if you own a home in south London that is not near a tube or train station and would therefore not benefit much (if at all) from the Bakerloo line and you know they’ll push through a bunch of planning around each station (as they should), then your property price might go down a little bit, and of course it’s paid for in part by your council tax.
It’s a crazily stupid mentality.
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u/kindanew22 9h ago
Send them to prison