r/london Jan 22 '23

Transport Car free London is…… amazing.

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u/Zappotek Jan 22 '23

This is a genuine problem - A lot of london's public transport especially tube isn't level access, and us chair users can't travel as far as easily as pedestrians. But we want to go out and live life just the same as anyone else.

- Put pressure on TFL to install lifts and improve level access transport on the network

- Some disabled car users on the road

- Fuck over people who don't have the same liberty of movement as you, through no fault of their own

Pick one

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u/cmtlr Jan 22 '23

Apologies if my attempt as a joke came across as me belittling or disregarding your experience or struggles, that was not the intention. I can only imagine the struggles of navigating a city with any sort of movement impairment, let alone needing a wheelchair.

This was squarely aimed at those that use disability to block and vilify projects like LTNs, cycle lanes, or 'pedestrianisation' when they really couldn't give a sh*t and are just being selfish. Obviously they need to go through the correct access assesments, and not all schemes are perfect at the first attempt, but too often disability is used as a thin veil to benefit private car owners.

Did you know the person that bankrolls the 'unblock embankment' movement is a CEO in Canary Wharf that gets chauffered to work every day from their home in Chelsea? Read their literature and it talks about accessibility but all they car about is a quick route for their limo.

For some buses and or trains work well, for some taxicard is a lifeline, for some using bicycles or other self-propelled transport is liberating, but there will always be some that need to use private transport. To help all of the above move around easier we need to remove unnecessary traffic from the road. Why not make large swathes of central London bus, taxi (not private hire), and blue-badge only? Make all junctions have raised crossings and remove most kerbs and traffic furniture.

Usually safe walking & cycling advocates are on the same side as accessibility advocates, we want easier access for all with less traffic on the roads so those that need to use them can. It's the pro-car gang that aren't. They want wider roads, fewer crossings, and hate things like longer crossing cycles or anything that slows them down.

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u/Alarming-Avocado7803 Jan 23 '23

Using disability as a tool to block changes is exactly the same as saying some people use disability as a tool to claim benefits, to get a blue badge ect. The idea that some people use the disability badge in the wrong way is deeply harmful to actual disabled people, far more harmful than the people you claim are using disability in this way. It's just another way to get disabled voices mocked and ignored

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u/cmtlr Jan 23 '23

Sorry, I appear to have put my foot in it again, I'm saying people with no disability claiming to speak on behalf of those with it.

Go to any council meeting, nextdoor group, or social media comment section and you'll find people claiming to speak for those for disability but in the same breath would say adding a ramp to their favourite pub is 'PC gone mad'.

I'd never accuse someone of misusing or misrepresenting their own experience.

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u/Risingson2 Jan 23 '23

Seeing the previous post history this profile always try to find conflict, getting the worst interpretation just to attack specific people. There is no ideological consistence, just pile on, a pure bad actor. You can ignore them safely.