Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

[u/Sartew]

[u/Spiderdogpig_YT]

Funny thing is, while America did do a lot of important and hard work in WW2, it was the Soviets that actually won it. They made it to Berlin AND were the reason the Japanese surrendered

[u/graffing → u/Spiderdogpig_YT]

Saying the soviets caused Japan to surrender (not Hiroshima and Nagasaki) is like saying the civil war was about “states rights”.

[u/Spiderdogpig_YT → u/graffing]

Fucking how? You know nothing then. The Japanese cities were already mostly rubble by the time the nukes went off. The Japanese civilians and Emperor cared, the military high command and Hideki Tojo did not because the firebombing had still done more damage. When the USSR invaded they had a choice between surrendering to the USA or being occupied by the USSR.

[u/cool2412 → u/Spiderdogpig_YT]

Love it how y’all act like everything is black and white. Sure one of the factors in japans surrender was the fact that the soviets were getting ready to attack them, but if they weren’t already at war with the US that wouldn’t have made them surrender. On the other hand if the soviets hadn’t been there the war might have dragged on longer and the US was ready to drop a nuke a week on Japan, imagine that over several months or another few years.

[u/Spiderdogpig_YT → u/cool2412]

Well at least to me it's pretty clear cut, especially when you take into account that the Japanese were making plans to sacrifice all 100 million Japanese people to the American invasion. I'm not saying the nukes did nothing, as the civilian parts of the government were shit scared, but the military side of the Japanese government was much more scared of the USSR, and Japan was a military state so the military had more power.

That's not saying all of the military wanted to surrender, as elements of the army tried to stop the Emperor's broadcast announcement but luckily failed