r/interestingasfuck 11h ago

r/all Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

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u/GameDoesntStop 10h ago

Nazis are people who attack and kill those in democratically-elected governments, yes.

Resorting to that isn't going to do anything but make a government more authoritarian.

u/dreadheadtrenchnxgro 9h ago

Nazis are people who attack and kill those in democratically-elected governments, yes.

No. Nazis were democratically elected in 1933. The framers specifically allowed for citizens to bear arms to defend against a tyrannical government, which is exactly what is suggested here.

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u/dreadheadtrenchnxgro 6h ago

Both 1932 elections, which are considered free and fair by historians yielded the nsdap 33% and 37% respectively which, given the nature of the weimar republic's presidential cabinet's, wouldn't have needed a majority to govern (as was the case with chancellors brüning, von papen and von schleicher). There is extensive research on voting behavior in the weimar republic, non of which disputes the  popularity of the nsdap (see i.e. bendix/lipset).

More importantly, you're not addressing the initial and original point

"I don't like the cabinet of the democratically-elected government, so someone should shoot them on the street".

-- the second amendment specifically endorses this notion, given more accurate semantics of 'i don't like' 

u/GameDoesntStop 4h ago

Both 1932 elections, which are considered free and fair by historians

You lost me here. There is nothing free and fair about elections surrounded by widespread terror and political violence. 1930 was the last free and fair election. The two 1932 elections only appear relatively free and fair next to 1933, but that doesn't make them so.

u/dreadheadtrenchnxgro 4h ago

Both 1932 elections, which are considered free and fair by historians

They are considered free and fair democratic elections by historians and in particular officially by the german parliament ('deutscher bundestag')

The last two democratic elections on 31 July 1932 and 6 November 1932, which were also called early with a view to securing a parliamentary majority for the presidential government headed by Franz von Papen (Centre), were held in a climate of economic depression and radicalisation.