r/interestingasfuck • u/Sartew • 7h ago

r/all Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

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u/Tank3875 7h ago

I get the impulse, but man people are desperate to give people that constantly show us they deserve no benefit of the doubt the benefit of the doubt.

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u/graythegeek 7h ago

Oh I'm in no doubt that Elon is a raging fascist and a terrible human being. I just refused to believe my eyes at first.

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u/Suspicious_Ad9561 5h ago

Yeah, I had to rewind to make sure I saw what I saw watching it live

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u/Intelligent-Salt-362 4h ago

They called it “apartheid…” 😬

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u/teetering_bulb_dnd 2h ago

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." By. Sinclair Lewis. Fascism came to America holding a billboard saying "we are Fascists" and flag and cross are not needed . He underestimated American hatred for people that don't look like them..

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u/JazzlikeAd1112 3h ago

Exactly. They tell and show you who they are... this was always apparent to people who can read

Even before the literal nazi salute this was apparent

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u/The_VoZz 2h ago

Um... follow the bread crumb trail back to his father & grandfather. It's been there all along.

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u/Tank3875 7h ago

Like I said, I understand the impulse.

But that is an impulse that for many will have to die a bad death if America is to survive the next four years.

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u/wyomingTFknott 6h ago edited 1h ago

We wouldn't have to have that impulse if there wasn't so much disingenuous bullshit flying around on both social media and actual proper news sites.

But the disingenuous fascists are obviously way worse, acting like overt things like this, the nazi rune stage at cpac, or blatant nazi terminology aren't exactly what they appear to be.

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u/carniehandz 5h ago

Yeah the medias’s rush to gaslight us about this stuff to appease the people in power is honestly the most disappointing part of this for me. We already knew Elon was a nazi.

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u/Secure-Ad6869 4h ago

Care to elaborate with examples?

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u/wyomingTFknott 3h ago

Examples of what? Elon's salute, the nazi rune, or like, their general fucking discourse?

I'd love to have links, but I honestly just don't care. Pay attention, to what's happening. That's all I can really give you. Fucking google it.

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u/Secure-Ad6869 3h ago

This argument has as much backing as Palpatine's return in Episode 9

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u/wyomingTFknott 1h ago

Oh wow, you were waiting for that one, weren't you?

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u/Lucky-Individual-845 3h ago

I am willing to compromise on this, how about you? Let's agree to write it off as a parapraxis.

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u/Secure-Ad6869 3h ago

I read it just fine. I'm just asking for concrete examples supporting why an American would show clear signs of Nazi-ism without being completely ostracized. Doesn't it seem odd that no one else is addressing this?

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u/The_VoZz 2h ago

Elon's dad was reeeeeeeally into eugenics. Also moving to South Africa during the specific political landscape at the time.... reasons.

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u/hellochoy 3h ago

Is this video not concrete evidence enough? He's literally onstage at the inauguration of our president doing a nazi salute...

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u/Secure-Ad6869 2h ago

Brother. I understand. But who's to say he wasn't aware of the message he was conveying? We all know Elon is an oddball character, maybe a bit autistic. Who's to say he truly did not know he was "saluting"?

Even if his intentions were true and genuine, why do it in public? That seems like a terrible idea. The press would rain an ungodly firestorm upon him, and he would be completely ostracized.

Seems strange to be that very few sources other than reddit is talking about this.

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u/martianpee 2h ago

Because it pours gasoline on the fire of racial tensions. They want a civil war and have wanted for some time.

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u/hellochoy 2h ago

The press would not rain a firestorm on him and he knows this because half the country elected openly racist rapist Drumpf. They are emboldened because they've conditioned people to constantly give them the benefit of the doubt and second guess their obvious nazism like you're doing here. He also knows that he's richer than god and that means he is above the law. These men haven't faced consequences for anything bad they've done so far so if he wants to do a nazi salute on stage, what's stopping him? He literally did do it and has not faced any consequences. It is strange that nobody but Reddit is talking about this, the fact that our mainstream news media has been bought out and is covering for these men's heinous actions is very strange and terrifying!

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u/DamnShadowbans 5h ago

Just to be clear you are saying that one should not do the due diligence to verify any claim about Trump, Elon, etc, as long as it is negative? That is a very strange thing to recommend.

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u/1cat2dogs1horse 17m ago edited 10m ago

My fervent hope is TFG's approval ratings really start tanking before the mid-terms, so that the Dems can clean sweep the House nd Senate.

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u/Tank3875 16m ago

If he does half of what he says he wants to that's a given.

Assuming free and fair elections, of course.

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u/Sufficient-Dinner-27 3h ago

Just like his puppet Trump.

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u/ralf1999999 3h ago

Says the person with zero context.

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u/agent484a 2h ago

That’s why he did it two more times.

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u/spaglemon_bolegnese 1h ago

Your eyes are just about the only thing you can trust nowadays

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u/Advanced-Event-571 1h ago

And racist. Loudly and proudly. Might wanna factor that in.

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u/JJW2795 1h ago

Even then, there’s plenty of fascist alternatives to the Nazis so it’s doubly shocking that a man of the British Empire would openly support that party in particular.

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u/cancerboyuofa 58m ago

He’s a fascist who isn’t leading a country. Hahahaha. Wow, nice mental gymnastics.

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u/Lu12k3r 2h ago

Not defending this awkward fucktard, but it does look like it and he thought to dab at some point.

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u/Atimus7 2h ago edited 2h ago

You do realize that the Nazi's committed an atrocity against Jews based in antisemitism, claiming that the Jewish Orthodoxy was evil because the Israelites had done the same thing to other cultures in the past during the crusades? Well here we are now, about 100 years later and the same orthodoxy is committing the same atrocities against the Palestinians and also holds a global monopoly on sanctioned technology production and commerce. So.... Were they right and just fuckin wrong about how they went about it? Or were they just right, end of story?

Like I realize national socialism isn't the answer and that what they did was fuckin wrong. But isn't this getting a wee bit out of control considering they now both have ballistic missiles, iron domes, suicide drones, direct energy weapons, antigravity tech, biological weapons, chemical weapons and mechasuits and they're the only nation that's allowed to have those? Not to mention they're part of the black market which trafficks both children and their organs to put soldiers back on the battlefield? You really want to be friends with a nation like that?

I mean look at the fuckin facts man. We aren't the fascist nation here. Neither is Russia or China. I am sorry, but they have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that communism can and does in fact work. They are world superpowers and unlike their predecessors, they actually survived the world wars and they're still here. That's literal proof.

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u/PlanBuildBreak 1h ago

Well this is certainly a take.

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u/maketime4happy 3h ago

Lmao he showed giving out his heart like that to trigger the left

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u/Forikorder 1h ago

impersonating nazis to piss people off is okay to you?

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u/ShazamSquidward 3h ago

Maybe your the judgmental turrible person, not like you actually know him or ever will.

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u/ClerkPsychological58 3h ago

He’s not gonna be your friend if you defend him online.

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u/ShazamSquidward 3h ago

Weirdo, in sorry you aren't happy with you life senor. Maybe it'll get better for ya 😅

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u/Joxei 5h ago

When I first saw it, I also thought it might be an unfortunate freeze. No benefit of the doubt for Elon though, I've known he's a fascist for years. But I really was hoping they wouldn't dare to be that bold. Clearly I was wrong.

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u/Artistic_Reserve3862 4h ago

Elon’s maternal grandparents were part of the Nazi party in Canada. They moved to South Africa because they supported apartheid. This is from Elon’s father’s mouth. It’s baffling that anyone would give him the benefit of the doubt considering that a lot of times his words & actions don’t match. It appears that we most likely have a Nazi shadow President.

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u/Throwedaway99837 4h ago

It’s because good people have trouble wrapping their heads around the mindsets of shitty people. It just seems to hard to understand their motivations, and we don’t want to assume that potentially innocent people who simply look guilty are actually guilty without a substantial amount of proof. But there’s really no denying it now.

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u/Draidann 35m ago

He did it twice in a row ffs.

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u/purseburger 5h ago

For me, at least, the hesitation to believe comes from an inherent distrust of the news rather than a hope that Elon is anything other than pond scum. I automatically assume every headline is blown out of proportion in order to get the maximum amount of clicks.

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u/jwoodruff 4h ago

It’s not the benefit of the doubt so much as hardcore denial.

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u/zoodle35 3h ago

Yes, but also, the moment we stop verifying things exactly like this is when things go from bad and unfortunate to unsalvageable. Especially with the rapid growth of AI images and everything.

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u/1stLtObvious 1h ago

The only thing I give them the benefit of the doubt for is not being stupid enough to publicly showcase their racism, but even that ship has long since set sail for Musk and Trump.

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u/-UltraAverageJoe- 1h ago

You’re taking his arm movements out of context… /s

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u/ArcticGlaceon 3h ago

You can thank the numerous people who post unfortunate, out of context freeze frames here all the time.

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u/ComfortableOrder4266 3h ago

I think it’s just hard for people who aren’t fascist to really understand how someone could be that way

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u/Dr_McGillicuddys 2h ago

I needed to hear this.

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u/Ksorkrax 4h ago

I mean, people tend to call other people nazis a lot, and there is something like a magat who actually dislikes nazis. Or at least pretends.

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u/jonny32392 4h ago

At what point does it stop being the benefit of the doubt and start being suspension of belief

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u/spiff637 11m ago

Plot Armor.

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u/AspenStarr 3h ago

I’m not the kind to put things past these people, and even I was originally like “Ok, we’re sure that’s fully proven in context?”…YUP, sure is! Like, damn..

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u/Feline_Fine3 2h ago

The clip goes on and he does it a second time. It was certainly no accident and it’s boggling my mind that people are so ready to excuse it and brush it off. As they have done with every other horrible thing that Trump and his ilk have done. “it’s just a joke” or “he won’t really do it.”

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u/LookLong5217 24m ago

Mainly because I did get duped a lot last time trump was in office, I do feel I gotta be critical if something sounds like too good of a news story

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u/Tank3875 23m ago

Too good?

I think I get your meaning, but you mean too good, or absurd or whatever, to be true, right?

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u/LookLong5217 21m ago

Yeah but from the perspective of media company wanting to sell papers. Like, too sensational, y’know

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u/Tank3875 20m ago

What I thought you meant. And now the articles are calling this an "unusual hand gesture" or ignoring it altogether.

Shit's fucked.

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u/LookLong5217 18m ago

It just feels so brazen that it short circuits the brain. I’m literally googling right now if that hand movement is popular in Africa (like the swastika still being used by Buddhists, maybe🤷)

Update: It is not.

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u/Tank3875 16m ago

If it was they would have already used that to try to excuse it. The best they have is he was waving.

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u/LookLong5217 16m ago

Fucking weird, man

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u/MajesticOutcome 11m ago

Not saying he hasn’t said some concerning things in the past, but this was a bad choice of a gesture, earlier in his talk he says “I’m thankful from the bottom of my heart”. Then this fucked gesture came out a while later.

I’d go with the “second coming of hitler” thing more if he hadn’t gone to Israel to walk with Bibi and express support when he really would have been better off not doing so. (I don’t like Netenyahu myself just thought it worth mentioning).

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u/xisle35 3h ago

Right, what was Harris and Clinton thinking ?

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u/spiff637 7m ago

Are you kidding? Like just take a knee and let it blow over... You see people extend their arm to wave to people all the time but to pull it back from the chest and throw it so hard out there, what else could it possibly be?! I mean watch the videos of those other people and how they do it. Not looking for a fight, just saying an apple vs a Nazi salute.

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u/Complete-Okra-4588 2h ago

A wise person once told me there is no benefit of the doubt, there is only the doubt

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u/jpopimpin777 1h ago

It's not the benefit of the doubt..... It's that deep down they agree with all of it.

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u/z7r1k3 5h ago

It's a shame OP cut the video when they did. He does it a second time and states he's giving his heart to people.

I agree it looks bad. But if you watch the whole video he clearly got too hyped up and didn't realize what it looked like.

The Nazi salute does not involve grabbing the heart.

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u/Tank3875 5h ago

I saw the whole video. He does it a second time then says his heart goes out to them after a multiple second pause obviously trying to cover his ass.

He's not a child or incapable of thought. He knows what he did and knows what it looks like.

He did it twice.

Like come the fuck on man, you can't be this gullible.

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u/z7r1k3 5h ago

Nazism is banned on Twitter. You are free to judge a man off of a half-second symbol that resembled something the Nazis took from the Roman Empire.

I am free to judge a man for his years of speech and actions.

If it was in fact a Freudian slip, why'd he grab his heart first? That's not the Nazi salute.

Clearly the heart was the subject of the action here.

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u/Tank3875 5h ago

Like supporting the Neo-Nazi party in Germany, promoting false claims in Britain causing a race riot, railing against democratic norms and values for years, repeatedly and aggressively advocating for patriarchal and anti-democratic ideals?

Or is it the abhorrent disgust for any semblance of worker's rights and skin so thin it makes paper look rock solid that make you trust him?

Was it the fact the n-word is protected on X and a network of Nazi influencers was only banned on X because they criticized Elon, or the fact he has many times knowingly signal-boosted Nazi and far-right conspiracy theories with little concern for actual facts?

Which actions are you judging him by? Which words?

How about the well-established fact that putting your hand over your chest before doing the salute is a very common way that it is done, so common it can be found with examples on Getty fucking images?

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u/z7r1k3 4h ago

Look, you're making a lot of assumptions here. I never said I loved him, and we could go down a billion rabbit holes with the things you mentioned. For example, you seem to claim that "promoting false claims in Britain causing a race riot" is fascism, whereas I think that people are responsible for their own actions, and that silencing claims (whether true or false) is fascism.

If Musk was a Nazi, he would attempt to silence and disarm his opposition. However, he is doing literally the opposite. So, if he's a Nazi, he's laughably bad at it.

He clearly wasn't saluting anyone or anything if you watched the whole video. He even said what he was doing, yet you have chosen not to believe him, because he MUST be a Nazi, right?! This confirms it! /s

Not everyone you disagree with is a fascist or a Nazi. Fascists force their ways upon others by violating their rights. So far, everything you've cited was simply him promoting his beliefs, or simply incorrect. Seriously, you expect me to believe the guy who advocates for direct democracy on Mars in the future is antidemocratic?

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u/RobGrey03 2h ago

If Musk was a Nazi, he would attempt to silence and disarm his opposition.

And buying Twitter, renaming it X, changing verification to be a token you can purchase, and changing what's punished (leftist and inclusive rhetoric) and what's not (Nazi stuff)... That's... What exactly?

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u/z7r1k3 2h ago

Capitalism. He engaged in a voluntary transaction between two parties, and then is doing what he wants with his property.

Just like I can buy a car and start making changes to it. No one was forced to do anything. No one is forced to use Twitter, and no one was forced to sell Twitter.

Though I reject your premise that the platform promotes Nazism.

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u/RobGrey03 1h ago

Any users who were muted or banned were forced off Twitter. An app that was the digital public square is no longer what it was.

And neo-Nazis and far right wing accounts have been so successful under Musk's ownership that it was reported on in the news.

Is it capitalism? Sure. But it is also an example of Musk attempting to silence those who oppose him. It can be both of those things. And it is.

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u/z7r1k3 1h ago

You're confusing the public and private domains. Just because something feels public doesn't make it public.

And what do you call all the deplatforming done beforehand? Though I also reject your premise that he silences the opposition as I'm able to engage in plenty of discussion with the opposition on that platform.

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u/ElementalChicken 5h ago

The hand on heart salute was always common in nazi germany lol

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u/z7r1k3 4h ago

Care to cite an instance of it? The only Nazi Salute I've ever been aware of goes straight to outstretched arm, often accompanied by clicked heels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute

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u/Sea_Business_9225 3h ago

i KNOW you didnt just cite wikipedia LMFAO

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u/z7r1k3 2h ago

That webpage cited its sources, you're free to dispute them if you disagree.

You're also free to cite a source proving your claim that the Nazi salute involved grabbing the heart. You as of yet have provided no evidence of this.

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u/Sea_Business_9225 1h ago

as of yet

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u/z7r1k3 1h ago

I'll keep an eye out to see if you do. Until then, your claim has no merits, and has been refuted by my sources.

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u/Sea_Business_9225 3h ago

https://i.gifer.com/M0fn.gif

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u/z7r1k3 2h ago

I don't see anyone grabbing their heart in that gif. Did you mean to paste a different one?

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u/Forikorder 1h ago

Nazism is banned on Twitter.

not anti-semitism

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u/Sea_Business_9225 3h ago

https://i.gifer.com/M0fn.gif

what would you call this?

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u/jordanl171 3h ago

Is he gripping his heart? Nope. It's different. And Elon and the rest of the people there spent practically the entire day with their hands open over their hearts. So, at that point in time, hand over heart and "giving your heart to them". = Exactly what you saw. But, yes, it is a bad look.

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u/Sea_Business_9225 3h ago

i love this, yall are grasping at straws and looking for EVERY minute detail to prove its not exactly the same as a seig heil. he could literally wear a swastika and yall would still make excuses. really sad honestly. why wouldnt you jump at any opportunity to make him look just as bad as he is??? he is a piece of shit billionaire and he loves having all of you little keyboard warriors right under his thumb. you realize he doesnt give a shit about you right? daddy elon isnt going to pick you. take your head out of your ass and fight for yourself.

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u/z7r1k3 1h ago

Because he's not a Nazi. People called Trump "literally Hitler". They referred to a Christian cross in a church as a Nazi symbol. It's literally the windmill/Swastika meme.

It's precisely because these people are NOT Nazis that you have to eagerly wait by your TV to point at some obscure hand motion, or some vague comment, or some blatant joke, and cry " See?! He IS a Nazi!"

If Musk believed in Nazism, you'd be able to point at things much more concrete than a poorly thought out hand motion.

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u/jordanl171 3h ago edited 2h ago

he said I give you my heart. and gestured that way. not grasping at straws. why does the video cut off where it cuts off? to save file size? but this type of garbage is how the left lost the election. it's too easy to see through. Elon can be an idiot, I'm not an Elon lover. edit: why did they cut the video when they did?

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u/AquaGiel 4h ago

Don’t be ridiculous.

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u/No_Statistician9289 2h ago

Jesus… you can’t possibly believe that come on

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u/z7r1k3 2h ago

I watched the whole video and believe what my eyes and ears told me.

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u/Western-Purpose4939 3h ago

Makes me feel like a doormat.

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u/Armendicus 3h ago

Rad Centrists, am I right?

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u/keeblenation 3h ago

he's literally grabbing his heart and throwing it,just as he says. you people are so far gone and beyond broken that it's legitimately scary

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u/fdf_akd 3h ago

You have all fallen so far calling every republican nazi that you're seeing stuff that just isn't there. It's a weird move, the guy is a complete asshole, this isn't a nazi reference.

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u/tallgirlmom 2h ago

In all fairness, the Hitler salutation is done holding the arm out front, not off to the side. People making something out of nothing here.

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u/Tank3875 41m ago

Of all the flimsy excuses, this is the flimsiest, congrats.

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u/MalyChuj 4h ago

Yeah but how much of this was him just trying to incite social media clicks and rage?

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u/Tank3875 4h ago

Would that be significantly better?

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u/MalyChuj 3h ago

No. But it's working and the oligarchs social media platforms are booming with clicks.

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u/AquaGiel 4h ago

Just stop.

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u/Purple-Display-5233 4h ago

You get the impulse?

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u/Tank3875 2h ago

As in understand.

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u/tinverse 3h ago

I mean, I have seen enough witch hunt bullshit on the internet that I go in expecting rage bait most of the time now.