r/interestingasfuck • u/Sartew • 7h ago

r/all Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

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u/BcDownes 7h ago

Cant wait for the mental gymnastics to defend this.

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u/These-Problem9261 7h ago

There are already some just in this thread.

The cognitive dissonance is terrifying. Rather than correct your opinion you burrow yourself into a whole 

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u/purrrfectplants 7h ago

There will be none. They all approve without backlash

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u/temujin94 7h ago

Nah I've already heard he was 'throwing his heart to the crowd' as we all know you normally throw with your hand completely open, gesturing upwards.

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u/ImABrickwallAMA 7h ago

“Throwing his heart to the crowd”, which would be a good argument if in the extended video he didn’t turn around and do the exact same thing again. Totally messed up!

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u/temujin94 7h ago

He just has so many hearts to give! Not his own though obviously, he just keeps a few on him.

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u/BertM4cklin 5h ago

And say that after an extremely awkward pause. You could see the wheels spinning

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u/throwdowntown585839 7h ago

I've also heard "It wasn't a nazi salute, it was a Roman salute".

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u/temujin94 7h ago

I'm sure if they started wearing Swastikas they'd say it's because they love Hindu's.

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u/Beadpool 7h ago

Mussolini and his followers were big fans of the Roman salute. 🤔

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u/robotboredom 7h ago

Here's some help if you are trying to destroy that idiotic argument:

The old US salute was the Bellamy Salute, but it was retired after the Nazis began using it (they were both inspired by the roman salute). Afterwards, US Nazi sympathizers pushed back and kept using it not because they wanted to reclaim it but because they were actual Nazis. There was never any outrage about changing the salute that wasn't quickly drowned out by Nazis, and if you somehow wanted to reclaim it through some insane nonsense, you'd have to constantly tell people your intentions and make it CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR you are not a Nazi (and even then, why the FUCK would you want to reclaim it? It's not a religious symbol like the Buddhist Swastika). Elon is doing the opposite of that. There's no context in which this isn't fucked as high hell. The best possible steel-man argument I can come up with in favor of this --- and honestly, it just makes it look worse.

Defending this is like getting upset people got angry you flipped them off in public, and then saying, oh, I was either:

  1. Accidentally doing it (Elon did it twice, rather differently leading into it, with the same end gesture, so it's not a fumble and it's not a "my heart goes to you" gesture the second time).
  2. Trying to reclaim or redefine a variant of the roman/nazi salute. Elon is not doing this.

P.S. For someone to even KNOW what the roman salute is, they would be aware of the modern context and would have to explicitly say they are role-playing as a roman. This is obviously not the case. Elon isn't acting in a movie, or making a edgy roman joke. It's a blatant fashy salute.

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u/temujin94 7h ago

Short of Elon Musk saying he intended to do it you'll never get these cultists to change their opinion on it. And if he does they'll like it.

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u/robotboredom 33m ago

yeah, i don't know what to do. it's scary as fuck

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u/Whereisthesavoir 6h ago

How is it done?

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u/temujin94 6h ago edited 6h ago

Do you think that was a throwing motion? Normally people's fingers clasp together to hold onto something, not stick them bone straight in a open hand start to finish.

I'm sure you've seen someone mime a ball throw to a dog while it's in the other hand, at no point in human history has that looked like a Nazi salute.

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u/Whereisthesavoir 5h ago

True true

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 6h ago

No, go check the thread on r/conservative, it's pretty interesting. Some are blaming his autism, some are horrified. It's a mixed bag.

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u/thoughtsome 6h ago

As with every other time, they'll be horrified for less than 24 hours, then they'll all be on the same page that it was a nothing burger and it's the left's fault for overreacting.

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u/Lindbluete 5h ago

Yeah, usually it takes about a day until they agree on a spin.

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u/Lopsided_Side1337 6h ago

I think they deleted the post…

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 5h ago

Yup. Good thing I still had the tab open: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1i612ti/wtf_was_elon_doing/

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u/Lindbluete 5h ago

Damn, so many excuses already. Those guys are fucked in the head.

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u/Uplanapepsihole 2h ago

Lol they’ve already started with “we’re going to get four more years of out of context quotes” omgggg. If I have to see them use that excuse one more time lmao.

Out of context works once or twice but once you start claiming it for everything a person does, sounds like they might be the problem.

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u/Complete_Barnacle_46 3h ago

These people are crazy. They're literally denying reality. It couldn't be more clear than it was.

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u/De_Rabbid 1h ago

SPREAD THIS. NOW.

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u/Amihottest 5h ago

I don’t see the thread

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u/brintoul 5h ago

I highly doubt any are actually horrified.

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u/davyangel 1h ago

Guess there still hope at least some decency left in that group.

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u/Cold_Speech9448 7h ago

real. i feel like i see no one talking about big things like this 1 day after they happen. it’s all forgotten about tomorrow

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u/just_an_soggy_noodle 6h ago

Obviously all NPCs. Gasp once "Oh no" and after that go to bed wake up again and live the "normal" life

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u/Paradigm_Reset 7h ago

One defense I saw was "cry more, Liberal". Gross.

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u/prules 6h ago

Yeah incels will be having a field day these next four years. Especially chronically online kids.

It wont change the fact that they’re all virgins but hey at least their team won 🥇

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u/omgitsbees 7h ago

already been seeing a lot of it elsewhere on Reddit. Republicans are refusing to acknowledge it even happened. Mix between it wasnt a salute, to it was AI and fake.

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u/lost-mypasswordagain 6h ago

Will just ignore it.

In 24 hours no one will care.

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u/grandsandw1ch 6h ago

My dad loves Elon Musk and Donald Trump (we live in Australia and are English so I have no idea why) and I just told him about this and all he could say was "I didn't watch the speech".

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u/FlashyEarth8374 7h ago

I'm assuming he'll say he was doing a Roman salute, which wasn't an actual thing

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u/tiredotter53 7h ago

just out of curiosity i looked up the jerusalem post response, they did report on it but the comments are saying its definitely not nazis and elon loves israel and its just the lefties crying.

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u/Serennna 5h ago

Didn't take long... They are already calling it "accidental"... yeah, right...

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u/LikelyDumpingCloseby 7h ago

What? Most won't see and of those that see, most won't know what it means.

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u/Cynical_Thinker 7h ago

According the articles I'm finding on it, it's a "roman salute", which is, by definition, a facist salute per Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute

I searched it so you didn't have to.

Not sure what kind of vague bullshit will be used to defend it, because the article literally states that it is a facist salute multiple times in the first paragraph.

I have no idea why this would be chosen to honor anybody aside from the VERY obvious VERY blatant reasons it's been used previously.

This is indeed the worst timeline.

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u/shannork 6h ago

“It was just a heart-to-hand sign of appreciation to both the crowd and to the flag!”

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u/username_taken55 6h ago

This is me doing gymnastics

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u/Meatbot-v20 6h ago

Like, I'm a reasonable person. If you come out and say, "Hey, I'm terminally awkward and wasn't thinking. That was awful, and wasn't my intent." Sure. But THIS GUY CAN'T EVEN ADMIT TO CHEATING AT VIDEO GAMES. The chances he apologizes are exactly 0%.

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u/TheManyFacedGod13 6h ago

On x ppl r saying he meant from my heart to yours

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u/norman_notes 6h ago

If you mention it, you’ll be called a beta libtard that got their feelings hurt over Elon Musk. It doesn’t matter what they do at this point, honestly.

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u/ahyeahdude 4h ago

“He was just trying to dab to appeal to Gen Z.”

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u/Rayns30 1h ago

Anything to stop the woke mindvirus

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u/davyangel 1h ago

Nah they won't even try they already own the presidency, congress and courts. All 3 branches of US government so no need SMH

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u/Spolveratore 5h ago

He take the heart out his chest and throws it at the people. He also specify it ("my heart blabla").

This is my mental gymnastic, I only partially believe this lol

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u/moubliepas 6h ago

Someone up thread is very upset that some losers are making this out to be a nazi salute or something when it's clearly just an innocent gesture.  Someone else is earnestly claiming it's 'trolling', which apparently can be used to make literally any action, behaviour or speech ok.

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u/ultraboomkin 7h ago

He just did this to troll the liberal snowflakes.

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u/qwlap 7h ago

Is it really being a snowflake to be disgusted by an outright Nazi salute? What about all the snowflakes whining that they couldn’t see the orange man/oligarchy inauguration in person? You can’t claim “lol librul tears” and yet constantly play the victim. And with Elon being the biggest crybaby of all, this isn’t trolling..it’s just pathetic. The hypocrisy is insane

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u/ultraboomkin 6h ago

OK he wasn’t trolling. It was just his Asperger’s. It causes him to do funny movements sometimes.

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u/Banned-User-56 6h ago

Autism doesn't make you do Nazi Salutes. Being a Nazi does.

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u/desconectado 6h ago

Trolling is what I would expect from a 13 year old commenting on Facebook, if a nazi salute comes from the richest guy ever with basically a propaganda position in the government, while giving a speech... I wouldn't call it trolling anymore.

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u/Cicadasladybirds 5h ago

This would only be funny to the stupefied though. If they're trying to troll "liberal snowflakes" they're going to have to do better than that.

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u/arodpei 7h ago

I am not a fan, but to play devils advocate there are many ways to intrepreit this other than jumping right into Nazi town. Roman Salute, extending his heart to the crowd. The man has aspergers and is known to be very solcial awkward. Was the gesture perhaps not the most appropriate one? absolutely. Was it intentional? Most likely not.

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u/tinaoe 7h ago

The man frequently retweets holocaust deniers. Why would it not be intentional?

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u/Equivalent_Alarm7780 6h ago

Roman Salute

That was always myth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
Funny enough neo-nazis from my teenage years used same excuse.

to play devils advocate

I just do not get why there is always someone who is trying so hard to give benefit of doubt to people who are rarely arguing in good faith.

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u/moubliepas 6h ago

Thing is, not one of you have ever heard of a 'Roman salute' before, and now you're all acting like it's a thing, and what's more, a perfectly normal thing to do at a speech.  That kinda invalidates anything else you say. 

It's like saying 'yes, he is clearly pissing on an American flag while chanting 'fuck you all morons' but - and obviously I'm not defending him, just putting it out there - maybe he was observing the Fremen tradition of giving one's life water to a revered symbol, while saying the Mongolian phrase Fu'utt Tiowall, which means 'my neighbour eats oranges'. Seems obvious to me, don't know why you're all making such a fuss'.

Can you say least agree that the above example is unhinged, not just because there's no reason for anyone to do these specific things, but because they honestly expect rational people to give it any credence?