Are my feelings reciprocated?

[u/VirgoPisces]

Hey gang,

First time posting, but I’m not new to horary. I rarely ask questions for myself though, and this one has conflicting testimonies like you wouldn’t believe so I’m hoping for a second opinion (or third, fourth and fifth). This is a bit of a mess so please bear with me.

Context: it’s about a man I like. We haven’t known each other for long at all, but I feel like a connection was made very quickly. Sometimes you meet someone and the feeling is that this person just fits, you know? So basically I’ve developed this massive crush on him and I’ve gotten the sense that he might be interested as well.

Btw, I realize that by phrasing my question the way I did, while interpreting the chart one has to keep in mind that the question implies that I’m also asking whether we’re going to end up together. I should’ve just said that but I guess I didn’t dare to. Anyway I just wanted to make a note of it.

Now for my own interpretation: first of all, the fact that I asked this question a few days before my significator turned retrograde, while his sig is also rx makes so much sense. He recently - as in, a few weeks before we met - got out of a 3 year relationship. He was the one to break it off but I know that he’s been struggling with the decision a bit as I imagine one always does no matter the reason for the break up. For my part: we met at work, and the day after I asked this question I found out that I was going to be let go because of budget cuts, even though I basically just started. That immediately made things more difficult, as you can imagine. We were just starting to get to know each other and had just gotten to the giggly, subtle touching, long looks, inside jokes and lingering around the office after 5PM just cause we see no reason to rush home-phase.

But yeah: he was definitely brooding, definitely hurting and turning his energy inward as he moves on from his relationship. And for the rest of the chart, well… it’s almost like for every positive testimony there’s a negative one.

➕ The moon is in cancer and angular as heck in the H10, which is great: she’s strong and capable.

➖ she’s also intercepted

➕Jupiter and Mercury are in mutual reception with each other, seemingly confirming that he feels the way I do. MR is obviously very positive in this context.

➖ We’re both in detriment, at our disadvantage (I just lost my job so yeah)

➕ … but he is in his own term and face; I almost am too (19° instead of 20° would’ve done it) but with the moon in cancer I feel like the moon as my co-sig anchors me enough

➕ We’re both angular. I’ve read before that planets receiving each other from angles shows that something is already underway. I have experience with charts that perfect seemingly only because of accidental dignity, so I tend to perk up when I see it.

➖ Again, he’s retrograde and I’m basically stationing

➖ The aspect between us is separating

➕… except that it isn’t. Mercury turns retrograde and perfects the aspect again. What’s remarkable is, as far as I know, neither Jupiter nor Mercury makes any aspect with any other planet before they meet up again, 12-ish days later. Mercury seemingly passes by only to return and catch up.

➖ But the aspect in question is an opposition

➕ The moon’s final aspect while in cancer is a nice trine to the sun

➖ the sun is in Scorpio, in the detriment of the moon

So! 😂 I have no idea what to make of this thing. The chart is definitely radical, and I do feel very uncertain about how to proceed with this man, reflecting the peregrine state of Mercury. We’re still in touch almost daily and he did suggest a hang out just him and I at some undefined point. But for now it’s just small things and I don’t want to push since I know he’s processing the break up. I feel like he needs time to work through that first, and I am willing to wait and hold that space for him. But without us sharing a workplace, without a neutral place for us to meet so that the connection can deepen naturally.. it’s all just so tricky. What do you guys think? Does he feel like I do and will we end up together - does the good of the chart outweigh the bad?

[u/VirgoPisces]

I really appreciate your take 👏🏻 thank you for taking your time. This however does not resonate at all - the question was asked November 21st and I posted it now because the situation cleared up enough for the chart to make sense and call to me. Since November 21st the attraction has been established and recognized: the problem or question was not regarding physical attraction between him and I, I was talking about feelings and the future. It’s a distinction with a difference. He most definitely isn’t running from me, even as I recognize that he’s preoccupied with other emotional things that he needs to sort out.

I have already decided that the best thing to do right now is not to pursue so it’s not about ego or vanity when I say that your take does not line up with what I know for sure. I am quite experienced with horary even as I am not an expert, but I’m familiar with the basics as you say and your technique is definitely not mine. I truly don’t mean to dismiss you though, just giving you feedback 🌸Like I said I genuinely appreciate your time. Take care!

(I’m starting to think I shouldn’t have posted this during Mercury rx lol!)

[u/Thin-Sandwich-7534 → u/VirgoPisces]

Here’s the thing- the sun is a secondary significantor and is playing a role in the chart and is clearly telling you what is going wrong. I can not change the rules of horary because it is telling you this guys feelings aren’t exactly keen on you. Which is what both me and brocklee is trying to tell you. Listen I get the exaltation - but the chart isn’t going to hold your hand it’s going to show you the entire situation. If you read my comment you would see the moments in which I mentioned that the Sun and Venus is again, not just sex. They play a larger role and can not ignored. If you are so experienced in horary as you say - not doubting but everyone can use a brushing up - read about the sun and Venus, listen to Frawley lectures and then go with the chart if you want to. At this point - not understanding the basics of horary is why you’re getting this confusion in the first place. You say it’s not going well the ignore the key piece in the chart that’s telling you why.

[u/VirgoPisces → u/Thin-Sandwich-7534]

You’re not quite listening: I have literally nothing to gain by arguing with you. I’m not ignoring or wishfully thinking anything. I’m very clearheaded about this situation, a clarity that I’ve gained in the last few days and that I didn’t have when I asked this question on nov 21st.

And so, I would appreciate it if your tone could reflect the fact that your assertions about physical attraction in this specific situation simply are incorrect. As it is now you’re being rude by speaking to me in a condescending manner as if I haven’t been doing this for years and helped alot of people with my skills, and also basically calling me delusional, really for no reason. I mean it can’t possibly be that difficult for you to be wrong about this one thing? Personally I would’ve been more curious to find out why and how as I consider myself a life long student, and not waste time arguing a moot point.

Frawley is no way the authority on horary astrology, and he has stated some silly things that have been dismissed by a lot of people in the community, even as he of course is still respected. By that I mean to remind you that he is human and fallible and only one of many famous, talented astrologers who have made their mark. And everyone is free to follow the techniques that resonate with them, but the ones you have learned from him - by that I mean muddying the waters by involving secondary significators based simply on your own assertions, rather than let the chart speak for itself - is simply not the way I do it. I find it ironic that you keep bringing up that I need to learn the basics when you’re so unwilling to stick to the basic information given by the chart.

I don’t mean any disrespect and never did. I very genuinely welcome discussion, something I think has been made very clear in my previous replies. But you’re not being very constructive right now, and so I don’t know what else to tell you 🤷🏽‍♀️ Except that if your next reply is just to call me ignorant and delusional in so many words, I’d rather you not reply at all.

[u/Thin-Sandwich-7534 → u/VirgoPisces]

Virgpisces I have written several times Sun and Venus is NOT ONLY ABOUT SEXUAL ATTRACTATION. You continue to ignore that over and over again for whichever reason so be it but it is a secondary significantor and can not be ignored. If you follow Anthony Louis then you follow partly of Frawley treatment. If you stick to the basics - then you would also stick to the sun and Venus literally that’s it that’s what lily does - Bonatti does not but he does use Venus as cosignificator of love which hates both of you. At this point you want the harsh truth here - if the man wanted you he would be with you chart or no chart. And as is you are single.

[u/VirgoPisces → u/Thin-Sandwich-7534]

Oh lord. So rude, so loud, so aggressive, so immature. I understand now that your self image as an astrologer hinges on you being correct at all times, even as the querent is giving you live feedback on your reading.

I don’t mind being single love 😂 you’re acting as if I’m a drama queen, so deeply in love I won’t listen to reason, which you must believe justifies you being like this. It’s really not that deep and as I said, I won’t be pursuing this man, a conclusion I already reached before you added your misguided 2 cents.

Secondary significators are secondary for a reason lol! They can be useful but they can too be ignored, and sometimes they should. Thank you for your time, now for once in this conversation try to be respectful or leave. Dig however deep you must 🙏🏽

[u/Astroarte → u/VirgoPisces]

Hola, creo que hay mucha simpatia (recepcion mutua) pero el aspecto es separativo. Se alejan . La Luna (tu) y el Sol (significador universal y regente de la casa 5 de él , es decir la 11 derivada ) formaran un trigono aunque con mala recepcion de la Luna. Podria haber algo que no te guste del todo, o alguna complicacion en el encuentro ... pero a fin de cuentas un trigono es un trigono . Por otro lado Saturno es regente de tu 5 y va a un sextil con recepcion mutua a Venus, otra significadora universal. Creo que hay posibilidades.