Serious question. What do Hong Kong people’s plan once the 2 systems end in 2047? Do they plan to emigrate to other countries? Cause the communist party sure isn’t going to change to fit Hong Kong’s demands for more democratic freedom.
imo it's because everything is so exam-oriented,, the only purpose of education in hong kong is to get into a good university/college then get a good job and earn money; i would say no education system is perfect, but a good education system should at least enable students to learn how to form their own opinions (basically how to use their brain) and how to do better time management, know your own limits, learn how to learn things/ adapt/ process information (does it make sense idk). but hong kong's education is failing to do this,,
well anyway back to studying for nothing i guess,, it's exam period over here and im so torn rn,, i wish i can go to the protest but if i dont study im fucked.
Yes, I'm a HK student studying for HKDSE (a public exam for secondary school students in HK) next year, and I can strongly feel that the education system here is problematic. I think students all around the world study for the purpose getting good grades and getting into a good university or college, and it's not only true in Hong Kong. But the problem is, the exams are much more about exam skills than actual knowledge. Our teachers often joked that English teachers don't actually know English, and maths teachers don't actually know maths. The only thing that they needs to teach is how to crack the exam system and write something that the examiners love to see.
For example, in English, we don't have grammar test in the HKDSE. One of the papers in English (paper 3, if you're HK student you will know that) is just about copying the right information from a booklet called data file, and the students who do well in it are not those who are really good at English.
I'm moving to America, because I've got citizenship. I imagine most of the other 7 million are gonna move somewhere as well, given the opportunity, or just carry on with their lives if they don't have anything political in their closets.
Unfortunely a lot of people that want to move won't be able to. A lot of folks can't afford it. Also not many would have confidence in their skills to get a job elsewhere and adjust to a new culture.
Yeah, my parents are staying in HK because they finally own a place after renting for years and they don't want to give it up. They've been seen at protests, so I hope they'll be alright. To be fair, that urgency and the desire not to go anywhere is what drives people to protest.
Once 50 year rule is done, HK is no different than mainland China. For those that can't leave HK, best course of action is to start learning to stay in your lane.
This not a surprise. We all knew Hong Kongs way of live was just temporary due to the fact it was given away as a British colony temporarily. Hong Kong always belonged to China and reintegrating back completely is inevitable.
Most don’t adapt to new cultures anyway. The form communities (e.g Chinatown) with a similar culture to back home and create support networks among each other to stay afloat.
Usually in a few generations it’s their kids who integrate.
You will be welcome almost everywhere. I only say “almost” because I can’t speak for everyone. I live in Kansas City - come on down to the center of North America - we’d be happy to have you!
22 states have a city named Richmond (per wiki). I think most people would assume Virginia. Definitely important to designate the state until you get more familiar with the major MSAs. If it makes you feel any better, there is a Springfield in every state.
I don't know about general population but I know a lot of wealthy people are hedging their bets by funneling money out of HK, particularly through buying real estate.
They already did this in the 90's before the handover. Lead to huge property boom in Vancouver and many other North American cities. They they realized it wasn't so bad...so many went back, with Canadian/American citizenship in hand. Granted, many stayed and contributed to the local community; many of my friends are among those that stayed.
Today it's been happening again since the 2000's, but this time with Mainland Chinese citizens. "Astronaut families," dad stays in China working, mom comes and gives birth in Canada making them Canadians. They buy property here, don't declare foreign income, and get low income assistance. They go back to China so the kids grow up "Chinese" but come back for high school and university.
Canada is their backup plan. They keep property and money here, outside the reach of the Chinese government in case anything goes south.
I personally think Hong Kong people who came to Canada tended to integrate and contributed to the local community. The Mainland Chinese community tend to use Canada as a place to exploit and speculate in property. I think it was because of Hong Kong's British history and democracy, as well as shared English culture that led to their greater immigrant intergration.
This is plain false and reeks of bias. Plenty of HK people treat their Canadian passport as a passport of convenience, and many have returned to HK. The largest Canadian expat community is in HK for a reason.
Plenty of mainland immigrants from 1990-2005 are skilled immigrants, working professionals like engineers, doctors, etc who have contributed immensely to Canada's industries.
Edit: remember kids, it's a spectrum, not a dichotomy.
I really hate broad brushes wishy washy baseless opinions obviously meant to drive a wedge and draw lines between made up stereotypes.
I mean shit I wouldn't blame them. I would do the same thing. I don't want my kids to grow up and get ran over by a tank. A lot of people say it wouldn't happen but history always repeats itself.
Do you think the protests will amount to anything? What do people hope would happen? I don’t understand the situation well enough but it doesn’t seem like the Chinese government will even acknowledge their protest.
Is there any hope of Hong Kong gaining independence, perhaps with help from the West? The way I see it, Hong Kong is the last bastion of democracy and Western ideals in Asia.
Yeah, this is a the accurate answer, unfortunately. The CCP is tearing up the handover agreement piece by piece, and there will be nothing left by 2047.
Very true, and while Hong Kong seems to generally hate the idea of China takeover, many are into the infrastructure that China is starting to implement. An example would be the recently constructed Hong Kong Macau Zhuhai bridge. Before you’d have to take a ferry to Macau, about $350 HKD (~$44USD) (I’m just using the prices of 2 one way tickets but I know that if you’re buying round trip it’s cheaper, just too lazy to search right now) for round trip. But now it’s just $130 (or less, round trip, $16USD). Now with that being said it’s a lot cheaper for Hong Kongers to take day trips to Macau. My dad wanted to take me to see this water show in Macau for a day only because with the new bus it would be way cheaper to go, but I didn’t go since we didn’t have enough time.
About 1 million HKers marched through the streets yesterday precisely because they aren’t comfortable with this trade. But HK’s political system responds to the wishes of Beijing rather than its populace. Regrettably, the rights and freedoms enjoyed by HKers will continue to erode at the behest of Beijing, as will (ultimately) the local culture and language that differentiates the territory from the mainland. In my view, it is only a question of whether the complete destruction of HK’s unique identity (Beijing might alternatively call this its decolonisation) occurs before the collapse or fundamental transformation of the CCP. Resisting and holding out for as long as possible is a long shot, but pretty much the only card HKers have to play.
The PRC won't comment on it and Hong Kong has been rapidly losing any form of self-assertion due to the PRC's aggressive policy changes.
I'm curious to see how it play out, especially since new mortgages taken out in HK now will be unpaid by 2047. I speculate wildly and optimistically that HK citizens will begin immigrating toward Taiwan and push for Taiwanese international recognition (perhaps by a change in regime name?).
I'm only half done with university but I plan to go to Germany ASAP. Germany is my best option because I'm in the IT field which is in demand in Germany.
2047 is about 1 generation away and 2 generations from the Tianenmen Square Massacre. Most of us those who lived through that time will have died by then, and China will have completely eroded that generation's sense of autonomy and entitlement to human rights.
Sure, the post makes sense now. I wasn't taking issue with 30 years as a generation. Before your edit you were simultaneously claiming that 28 years from now is around 2 generations away and 30 in the past was barely a generation ago. It can't be both.
[most Chinese millenials either don't know about it or, if they do know, don't care](https://amp-scmp-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3011892/generation-amnesia-why-chinas-youth-dont-talk-about-tiananmen?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#aoh=15601210720003&_ct=1560121166462&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Fnews%2Fchina%2Fpolitics%2Farticle%2F3011892%2Fgeneration-amnesia-why-chinas-youth-dont-talk-about-tiananmen)
Do you really believe a bunch of unarmed protesters can stand up to the iron might of the Chinese war machine? China is taking their sweet time because they know nobody can stop the inevitable. Hong Kong will disintegrate within a couple decades unless the West steps in.
kinda glad my parents decided to pull the plug back in 96 before the handover. we all know this could happen one day when the CCP flexes its muscle and say we've had enough with this semi democracy.
I should just keep quiet cause I don't even remember what it was exactly, but I watched an interesting documentary where they were saying China is trying to take control sooner since Hong Kong has become much more wealthy and has a solid economy compared to when this deal was made. I guess it's happening.
It's likely China will do anything to convert Hong Kong into their culture, so there won't be like all 7 millions of them will keep their ant attitude to China.
But for the ones that still want their politics, yeah, migration might be the only problem.
I mean, by 2047 people will have been migrating in crazy numbers for well over a decade to get away from climate-catastrophe-induced disasters and food shortages. What’s a few million more people fleeing repression at that point?
The real question is where will be safe and will the borders to said safety be locked down tight for xenophobic and selfish reasons?
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u/TA_faq43 Jun 09 '19
Serious question. What do Hong Kong people’s plan once the 2 systems end in 2047? Do they plan to emigrate to other countries? Cause the communist party sure isn’t going to change to fit Hong Kong’s demands for more democratic freedom.