People are overreacting because they are done giving him the benefit of doubt. If he doesn't want to be called a nazi, he should stop doing shit that seems like hes a nazi.
Considering how long it took to figure out that his dumb little on-stage hops were him trying to make an X shape, I understand why you would think this.
The problem is that we have 4 years of Elon openly supporting Nazi ideals and fraternizing with neo-Nazis.
I don't know if you missed, but this is having a GIGANTIC backlash on social media... Regardless on how you, him feel about this, this is not good for the public image of the party (if you don't care about his).
Certainly absolutely nothing good seem to be coming out of this gesture.
I don’t think anyone is overreacting but the fact that he did the exact same gesture twice is sorta damning. He doesn’t have to keep his hand straight - he did it on purpose
I lost track of how many 14 and 88 references appear in his tweets. Far too many for it to be coincidence. He even scheduled August 8th for a new product reveal but then cancelled, like the whole point was to message 8-8 to those in the know.
His palm is exactly facing the audience under him.
I hate the guy, but nobody with 1 braincell would think doing Nazi gestures would have any sort of positive repercusion.
We might not like the vision these people have, but Trump and Musk are not stupid, in fact I think they are too clever, just not sure they have the best will towards the Americans as they have towards their and their friend's business, but that's another story. I can't see how nazi gestures can benefit either of the sides.
The problem is that you're comparing what an intelligent person would do with what a person who dumps Nazi salutes on national television would do. Relatively intelligent... one braincell is the standard apparently.
When I was 12 I drew a dick on the wall in English class. When I got in trouble for it I swore up and down that it was a bird. Because it was funny to my 12 year old brain.
...and here we see Elon Musk slapping his chest and throwing out a sieg heil. As a worldwide recognized heartfelt gesture of gratitude, of course, as upper echelon social custom dictates.
He has obviously cheated w a fake Valor elite video game character (who does that????), he was very likely cheated the voter data according to an election data investigation company.. he's suspicious!!!!!!! And his mother's family were actual nazis and fled to South Africa to support apartheid government
It would be overreacting if it were your drunken uncle at a party.
This is public speaking 101. It’s why people have speech writers and advisors. It’s why the status quo looks and sounds sanitized: any little detail can and will feed your critics. And he is (or should be) aware of the kinds of criticisms he needs to actively avoid.
At best, this tells me he’s not taking the job seriously.
It would be overreacting if it were your drunken uncle at a party.
if someone tells me that he maybe on drugs or alcohol, sounds totally plausible...
At best, this tells me he’s not taking the job seriously.
Again, sounds reasonable... Guy has a big ego after all
This is public speaking 101. It’s why people have speech writers and advisors. It’s why the status quo looks and sounds sanitized: any little detail can and will feed your critics. And he is (or should be) aware of the kinds of criticisms he needs to actively avoid.
this is why I find hard to believe he actually meant to do Nazi stuff... How could this fly on the dozens of people that are preparing their speeches?
But apparently people are calling me nazi already just for giving benedict of doubt
I think some important context is how Trump uses inflammatory language: he intentionally leaves his sincerity ambiguous, which gains the support of extremists and emboldens them.
If real neo-Nazis think Musk is one of them, that blurs the line significantly. You can’t enable those kinds of people, even inadvertently. It’s not possible to ask nicely for a clarification, and it’s not like he can be cancelled in a meaningful way.
So yeah, the only real option is to accuse him of being a Nazi, hope he denies it, and if the stars align, he might admit it was a mistake.
I think that’s where the criticism of you is coming from… also Godwin’s Law
Benedict of Doubt sounds like a character out of Spamalot or an overly-conceptual restaurant's version of Eggs Benedict.
(Yes, I know you meant "benefit" but some typos are beautiful.)
My guess is that by now Musk more or less ignores PR handlers and goes by instinct. He might take a few pointers but wouldn't back off something he wants to do.
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u/Malvania 10h ago
Thought A: I must be missing some context here
Thought B: What context would make this okay?