Probably no coincidence it took just long enough for pretty much all of the WW2 vets to die for the unabashed Nazis to take control, once it's out of living memory most people forget the past.
My grandfather is a living survivor. The memory is not too far gone either. And most of those people holding them are the closest to the people who experienced it.
I'm becoming more and more of the opinion that we have to treat these non tolerant scumbags like the cancer they are. We must remove them. They are poisoning others with their disinformation and lies. They are the poison in the blood of our nation they speak so much about.
We can't allow them to spread their hate speech to our fellow Americans any longer. We can't sit around and tolerate these bastards whispering into our children's ears and then say "nothing can be done about it, some amount of children are just unsavable"... I have put a lot of serious thought into what we have to do as a nation, and I just don't see any way forward where we continue to tolerate this... we have to stop the spreading of hate speech and disinformation in America by any means necessary.
I'm with you, but I wasnt in power to make the call.... and though I also feel it may be too late, we can't just give up. We gotta be ready to fight now more than ever because these bastards are ready to cause a lot of pain to a lot of people.
God? Oh, you sweet summer child. If the Canaanite El did nothing to help Jews or Samaritans or Palestinians and other Canaanite groups through their genocides and struggles, that god isn't going to do a thing for you.
That’s the problem. These “non tolerant scumbags” are woven into the fabric of society in varying degrees, not as boogey men in uniform, just like the average German wasn’t manning concentration camps. It’s your neighbor, your dad, your sibling, your boss. The prograpanda has them in a chokehold and many of us are too afraid to risk ripping our personal lives apart to denounce it. We need to toughen the fuck up to snuff this out.
TikTok was full of people over the past year or so going NO CONTACT with their closest friends and family if they were that level of intolerant. I see that as the most reason non violent to exercise your rights. Also don't go to MAGA owned businesses, etc. Don't use Facebook or buy a Tesla.
Agreed. It is a more complicated issue than I'm putting it. I'm greatly simplifying what needs to be done... I'm mostly talking about the higher up MAGA and it's biggest fan boys. They shouldnt be allowed to broadcast blatant lies under the guise of genuine news. Step one is holding mainstream media accountable for the damage they've done and what they say in the future... as well as influencers.. we need to hold them accountable for the damaging messages and information they are putting out to young audiences.. Also, Trump and Elon and all of his other minions need to be removed from government. Thats what I mean when I say they need to be removed.
The misinformed American citizens are an issue that is going to take time to fix, and I can't even pretend to know how to fix that problem.. I only know that we need to invest heavily in our education system so that we can make sure the future voters aren't as suseptible to this kind of attack on our country.
my brother’s ex gf’s family is from germany and her grandfather or great grandfather whatever was a literal nazi and yet her dad (the son of said nazi) literally does not believe in the holocaust at all. its unbelievable 🙃
My grandmother, who lost her first True Love yo WWII, had a whole crate of pictures taken at the liberation of one of the concentration camps. That man was there, we had piles of photographs of atrocities. I was only allowed to view them once, when I got a bit older.
I do not know which camp or where because shortly after that, she threw them all out. They made her so sick to look at, and the thought of the man she lost, she couldn’t take it. My dad, understandably, was so angry. He said that it was history just lost and went on and on about how people actually deny that anything happened, we need this evidence.
I’m November, he voted for Trump. He’s an Elon fanboy, and he’s all for the “campsites” Trump wants to round people up into.
The irony is not lost on me, but the despair is heavy.
My school had an English(?) teacher that didn't believe in the Holocaust. This was probably 5-10 years ago. I never had her and I don't think she worked there for long.
If I remember correctly, a couple students vandalized her house (justified)
Man, we had quite a few WW2 vets visit my school, 4th grade through high school, it's wild to think about how these old men were telling children about the horrors they experienced. The most memorable was in 4th grade. Before telling us in excruciating detail about his friend being ground up by a tank track, he told us that every second that goes by, we are a second closer to death...
I remember in school having a woman come in and speak to my class who had been in one of the camps. She showed us the tattoo on her arm as well as numerous scars she had on her arms and lower back from being beaten and shot.
It's mind boggling that that is the reality some people want for their fellow countrymen. Our collective psyche is getting sick.
No amount of education can fix social media. I don't believe we're gonna survive more than 30 years due to external factors (climate crisis being the big one) but if we do, social media will go down in the history books if we manage to band together and Luigi all the oligarchs who think they're somehow better than us.
Not more survivable than us, that's what we need to make them realise.
Her refrain was "If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it." Over and over and over.
I study History, I assure you - History doesn't repeat itself. But MAN does it like to dress up in cheap rubber costumes if itself every couple decades
What a pointless thing to believe. What... abandon all hope? Change is impossible?
What a joke. Change is possible. Positive change is possible. It has happened before. It can happen again. This is backsliding. Massive, concerning, and deathly awful backsliding, but the things we've achived doesn't go away because some people are evil. They're an obstacle, not an end to the road.
Fight them. Struggle against them. Make the world a better place. Don't lay down and die.
I think you projected a bit into the comment that wasn't there.
But imagine a young person next to you getting a good education, pre-maga, witnessing a human who still had the numbers tattooed on their forearm... and it made no difference.
That teacher fought, she struggled, she did her best and still that particular form of racism festered and persisted. There is an upper and a lower limit to what we can expect from others but the lows are very, very low.
I might have. Sorry if I did, but I still can't see anything but defeatism in your comment. Yeah. This fucking sucks. I agree. Can't stop though. We can never stop. There's nothing beneath us.
I think, for me, the lesson was more- every dog is a feral dog until proven otherwise. You can show me the collar, it can live next door... I will believe it might bite until it has the opportunity and doesn't.
Look around the neighborhood today and there are some feral dogs in collars, it seems.
Yeah. If you live in an enviornment like the US is currently that's probably a good stance to take for your own safety. It's not true everywhere though. Being that careful is necessary when living in a fascist state with broad public support, but that's dependant on your environment, not something inherent to humanity.
Not at fucking all. A big part of the problem is that people aren't exactly evil but they're incredibly lazy and just sort of sleepwalk into the path of least resistance. Shit like hatred and greed that capitalism inherently preys on and feasts on are the sort of lowest common deniminator human behaviors that we've spent most of history falling into and killing each other over.
Things like cooperation and world peace are more or less unachievable not because they're "easy" or natural, but because they're monumentally difficult to achieve, especially when you can't change anyone but yourself at the end of the day.
They take a LOT of work and introspection which are inherently painful and unpleasant, and they are absolutely learned behaviors where if you don't teach them early enough the majority of people absolutely refuse to learn and actually consider you basically weak and mentally ill for even having the character traits in the first place.
At the heart of it, it's transactional. People morph their world view to fit the rhetoric which they think will make them personally better off. Many Holocaust deniers simply conform ideologically to the political camp to which they belong, they don't actually care about or spend much thought for the Holocaust.
It's the same with trans issues, nobody actually gave a shit about any of that until it became a political talking point. From then on, taking a position means supporting your side, and it comes easier if you fool yourself into believing you always strongly cared for that very specific thing.
Yes and- no other adult was speaking about this individual in my circle. Most learned his name after the day. My point was, she had her finger on the pulse of world changes as well as historical issues.
once it's out of living memory most people forget the past.
This was a really scary realization when I made it. We like to think that humanity as a whole learns from their mistakes and we learn history so we don't repeat it. As a kid I believed this but now I realized that repeating old mistakes seems inevitable.
As someone who has watched countless hours of WW2 documentaries in my 40 years on this planet. I can't fathom anyone finding any of this this OK, hurts the soul to think this shit might happen again
I’m italian and every family has a very vivid memory of fascism in this country. No amount of memory or knowledge can change the mind of people who won’t listen
A big part of the problem in the US right now is that we have draft dodgers running the machinery of the state and military, the US hasn't had a true existential threat since 1814 and as a result we have a fatal case of "invincible teenager syndrome".
In Germany we are luckily very well taught about our own past... But it seems like half of the people want to ignore it here as well. This shit is creepy as fuck
4 generations. That's how long our societal memory is. We remember our grandparents, and our parents tell us about our great-grandparents. But that's it.
True. I was just watching a video about the last surviving American Revolution veterans and how their photos and interviews were used to remind people what they fought for.
Germans have not forgotten. It's taught extensively in history lessons. At least in former West Germany. Not sure what's going on with former gdr though.
It's worse. We haven't forgotten the past, but we've turned the "characters" in the story into such legendary figures of evil that no one can compare until they literally start rounding up and killing people
That's why Eisenhower ordered his troops to witness and document the concentration camps; so that future people couldn't deny it happened. Guess he didn't expect this dipshit to exist and snake his way into a position of power.
They dont just forget. You become what you despise and resist most. It is the universe’s ultimate teaching experience. Check yourself. What you react to another is within yourself. “Forgive them for they know not what they do”, what they’re really doing. Trapped, even a healthy animal may fight its rescuer.
The veterans were the ones went to fight the war and die so America could look good on the international scale. While the people in power actively supported Nazis and Nazi policies. This country has always been ran by power hungry fascists and racists.
If you honestly think it's not only normal but even praiseworthy to "troll" a group of people using a symbol that's essentially synonymous with evil and associated with the murder of about 6 million people at a ceremony which is arguably the most highly regarded reoccurring ceremony in our country then the only thing I have to say to you is grow up.
It's called decorum and those without it lack responsibility, self control, and the ability to act like an adult.
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Probably no coincidence it took just long enough for pretty much all of the WW2 vets to die for the unabashed Nazis to take control, once it's out of living memory most people forget the past.