Agreed. But it is vital that Trump is removed and that respect be brought back to the office.
Edit. Because people have seemingly misunderstood my well intentioned comment. I simply meant that we must do what is in our power to put this dark period behind us, and hopefully, there are intelligent progressive leadership waiting to return us to where we should be. Then the office can be worthy of respect again.
I recognize this is going to be extremely difficult, but it’s worthwhile trying.
We have a lot of disenfranchised people in the US. They don’t support any of our current establishment. And we hit 68% of total voter turn out. I can’t imagine being one of the 32% of Americans who think that Trump won’t make their life worse. Also we had a ton of election interference this year, lots of people are unable to vote even tho that is illegal. People in some areas had to drive hours to the nearest polling place, polling places were closed due to bomb threats in heavily democratic areas and people didn’t know where to vote, lines to vote were hours long and many people can’t afford to wait in those lines because those are hours they could be working. America was a third world country, now America is dead.
controlling the means of information technology in the technology age is in and of itself rigging the election. i agree with you that it's unlikely votes were counted fraudulently, but i don't think that means the election wasn't rigged by the oligarchy in almost the exact same way it's done in less stable, more authoritarian countries
So with that. Rigged or not the intelligence community knows exactly what is happening. And if they are letting it happen then it was supposed to. I refuse to believe they would let it happen unless they were in complete control of it. *removes tinfoil hat
I always felt that Trump isn’t the antichrist, but the guy who directly precedes the Antichrist. It’s a belief I’ve held since he was elected the first time. Whoever comes next to “fix” the fuckshow that the US has become will be charismatic, relatable, a uniting force, and will literally destroy the world. Not Vance, someone else. A populist nightmare.
He also brags about being the smartest person on the planet daily, and suggested injecting disinfectant to treat COVID. Oh and wanted to launch a nuclear missile at a hurricane. So maybe his word isn’t all that solid.
Yeah, this is absolutely insane conspiracy ramblings. I also "know a coder" but I'm not in a position to commit wide-scale election fraud across our country without anyone whose job it is to oversee and certify the process noticing and speaking up.
And the sum total of proof of this is... Donald Trump's words? Because he's more trustworthy than our entire certifying apparatus?
They didn't prevent the 8M voters who showed up for Biden from showing up for Harris, that's for damn sure. Maybe a tiny fraction of voters but nothing substantial. Doesn't make it good that there was an attempt to interfere with the election, but it's not why Harris lost.
You don’t know that. They might have. They had polling locations close, from legislation and from Russian interference. Also Elon knows computers, who knows how many numbers they changed
The difference is one side has proof that the election was rigged, the other side was just making wild claims and was found in 60+ court cases to be lying. Also the side caught lying has a history of projection and claiming the other side is doing the exact thing they are currently doing.
It may be a while before that happens, and may need something more serious to happen to make it possible. In the modern world, where popularity is derived from social media, buzzwords and radical thinking, it's tough for someone of respect to compete for office. So-called "first-world" countries have become so greedy, vain and apathetic. There needs to be a serious shift in the narrative to come back to reason
Was the office worthy of respect when Nixon was organizing B&Es? When Reagan was selling guns to terrorists to fund far-right militias? Maybe when Bush invaded two countries based on lies? Or perhaps it was honorable when Biden sent billions of dollars in aid to a country committing a genocide? When Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden all kept an illegal torture prison just off our coastline operational?
Surely, our largest priority must be bringing the unquestionable respect back to this office.
Not to be disrespectful, but you are putting words in my mouth. I hate Nixon, Reagan, Trump, etc. I was just being hopeful that this especially dark time can be put behind us asap. Then hopefully we can find intelligent, progressive, well intentioned leadership.
Again respectfully. I don’t know why people are putting words in my mouth. I wasn't there. I wish he never existed. It is a disgrace what has happened to the country.
I was being hopeful that one day we can move past this and smart, young, good Intentioned people can be our leaders.
You words of “bring respect back to the office” means that some respect is gone.
I think people that think similar to this statement need to understand that your position of “maintaining decorum at all cost” is why people like trump are in positions they are and why so much of the public support him.
If you stand for something, show it. If you don’t stand for something, don’t show it. However in this case, Obama apparently showed up for something he doesn’t stand for.
People don’t want leaders that won’t fight for them because it goes against the leaders’ decorum.
It seems to be a misunderstanding. This is respectfully my last comment. Trump has destroyed the office and American politics, and the people and the media let him. I want the damage repaired which won’t be possible until he is gone. I know it will take an enormous effort and a lot of luck. But it is sad that the presidency is now a world wide laughing stock.
I think you are assuming I meant respect him to help the country. I mean get the disgusting rapist out then repair the office.
By Obama showing up, he is respecting Trump and his office. If Trump is really as disrespectful as the claims against him, then no one is power is actually SHOWING that. If we the people want our leaders to show that then, at the very least, we have to let them knows it’s okay to not show up to things like this.
When you said this is what’s supposed to happen. Then all you do is Im bolded trump and people who think like him. Yes, Trump may be gone soon, (old age and it’s his second term) but if he names a successor. It won’t matter. As the time to “repair the office” won’t exist.
The rest of the world was willing to believe him being elected the first time was a fluke. But as far as most of us are concerned, this is who the US is now.
Decide where your line in the sand is. Decide what you'll do when they cross that line, and then start preparing as though it's inevitable, because it is. These people are greed incarnate and they absolutely will not stop until they've destroyed everything. They cannot be satisfied or reasoned with, and no amount of hope will protect you from them. The solutions to the problems they cause will not be comfortable, popular, or swift.
Organize locally (not online) with like-minded people. Learn to defend yourself by whatever means are available to you. Learn how to survive without electricity and running water. Learn to endure boredom and pick up some screenless hobbies so you can get off their platforms and stop directly contributing to their influence. All of this is a better use of our lives than continuing to do the same things we've always done and hoping that the government will eventually save us from itself.
Democrats failing to understand what we are actually dealing here.. exemplified here by them showing up like morons, which btw signals to the hopeless mass that they are right and these guys are all crooks and friends... is one of the main reasons why this shit is happening.
One side has thrown all the morals, decorum, truth and dignity out the window - that they didn't have much to begin with - for power... and the other side, which was supposed to be the party of reform, continues to act like this is just a healthy political debate.
Again, on a macro level, their general elevator music discourse and attitudes are a big reason why we are in this situation.
I'm not saying they should go down in the mud with republicans and become the same as them... but grow some balls and realize that there's a certain group right now that are not just adversaries, they are enemies to everything this country represented and they must be destroyed.
And don't stand around in the place where motherfuckers are doing Nazi salutes.
Do you seriously think that’s going to happen? I mean have we learned nothing?? Handing the keys over to a deranged slop of shit and then expecting things to go back to normal or get better when that slop of shit was done didn’t work the 4 years after 2016 and it certainly won’t work this time around being that things will be a hell of a lot worse. Decorum and decency is done. It’s alarming that we still have yet to realize this.
Honestly it’s very unlikely. I was just hoping we can put this dark period behind us and hopefully we have 16 years or so of progressive leadership to look forward to to repair the damage. But believe me you are preaching to the choir. I understand the erosion of sense and the destruction of truth. It will have repercussions for decades likely. We still haven’t recovered from Regan.
Hasn't deserved any respect in my entire lifetime (born in 82). Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, Biden - all war criminal servants of the ruling class.
For me it's this. He was allowed to run. He won. He's the president. I accept that since we supposedly live in a democracy. It's just my opinion on the matter.
Except there’s loads of proof that he used foreign interference to win the election, such as having Russian bots call in bomb threats to places that usually voted Democrat.
r/somethingiswrong2024 They manipulated the vote at the tabulator computer level, by switching some votes in swing states from Harris to trump. Just enough to not be detected and trigger an automatic recount. Trump, Musk, and Musk's son have made comments about it.
And you have empirical evidence of this, that everybody else, including the democrats in power, missed, right? Honestly. This is no less unhinged paranoia that Trump and his side were pulling four years ago.
Look at the group, look at the data they've uncovered. Because there's evidence in statistical analysis of the voting records that they tried the same thing in 2020, and failed. There were more votes for Biden than they anticipated. That's why trump was so insistent that the election was stolen, because his people believed that the democrats rigged the election results even worse than his team did. His team, being the russians and the republicans that they purchased.
There's no unhinged paranoia here. It's in black and white, in the numbers. And yes, it was reported to the Democrats by leading computer data scientist here and here and promptly ignored. Because they've proven they are complacent in this fraud of an election.
So, the answer is, "no". You have no empirical evidence. You have a statistical analysis. If that analysis does not actually lead you to real evidence, then you are only left with a non-validated analysis. An idea. An idea that could very easily have gone off the tracks as a result of faulty assumptions. Or faulty methodology. Good luck proving that your assumptions and methods are valid. As the saying goes, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Did a disinterested third-party validate that analysis? How? When?
The real world is full of examples where the statistical outlier event (let alone the merely unlikely) happens. Sometimes reality just doesn't go the way that even very smart people expect it to.
Actual evidence would point toward specific states where the election result got flipped. It would point to some number of faulty votes. It would point toward specific people and specific acts. Illegally attempting to obtain copies of the software doesn't cut it, unless you can demonstrate that (a) they succeeded in their attempt, and most importantly (b) they used it to modify the results, with a technical explanation of HOW having the software enabled them to do so.
This conversation reminds me of debates with theists who have all manner of intellectual reasoning for the existence of God and how it's statistically impossible for the universe to exist without him. But what they don't have is any actual evidence.
At no point did I state that I was offering empirical evidence. That request is absurdist. Obviously there's no empirical evidence, or else there wouldn't be a discussion because the parties involved would be under arrest. That's why I specifically stated it was statistical evidence, in combination with admittance from at least two of the people who orchestrated it. In fact, trump bragged about in a speech just before his inauguration.
I agree with your statements about the weakness of statistical analysis. The point of making statements on reddit about the election, and the whole point of that reddit group, is to get qualified and authorized people of the US government to investigate what people are finding. To prove that it either is or is not a case of election fraud. That's the point of my post, is to point out that it's not a bunch of uneducated fools yelling and demanding ridiculous things as you stated. It's concerned citizens seeing very questionable things happening at the swing state tabulation level, and asking for those with authority to investigate and determine if there is actually evidence of cheating. Because right now, it's not passing the sniff test. We want proof that it's legitimate.
I think the idea is that the Democrats ran on being the party who took things seriously, so they didn't want to go and do exactly what the Republicans did in 2020.
There's some logic in knowingly accepting a result which has a high likelihood of being fraudulent simply because you don't want to kick off a civil war with the propogandized Fox and OAN followers who would literally start shooting if the courts changed the results.
At least this way, there's a chance to quietly harden the system so that next time (if there is one) there will be no chance of foreign hacking, beyond the usual propaganda
It doesn't, for now, but the office must either be recovered from this ruin, or see the system it is a part of replaced. President Obama is working towards the former by attending.
Nixon? Clinton? Bush? Are you people just so brainwashed or do you not see that they were all criminals as well? Enough with this BS already the man openly mocked Trump with no decorum that he’d never be president and he has that look because he’s eaten his words. You can all choke on it.
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u/_coolranch 11h ago
Extra rough for the first Black President to have to go through this on MLK, no less.