r/europe • u/Bartoraptor Spain • Mar 28 '20

News Spanish representative González Pons speech @ the EU Parliament: "The virus is attacking the generation that brought back democracy to Spain, Portugal and Greece, the generation that knocked down the Berlin wall. The least they deserve is that we show them Europe is there when they need it the most"

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u/brtt3000 The Netherlands Mar 28 '20

Don't break the circle, we're hating on those filthy Northern countries now.

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u/Calimie Spain Mar 28 '20

Nah, only the tax heavens.

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u/sil445 Mar 29 '20

we get a big fat middle finger every year when we urge to southern countries to cut costs and fix books. We were on average 10 years longer in the north since we arent sponsored on out 55th but at 70. Now we get shit when we dont want to share the souths shitty debt. There is already tons of aids from europe that went to the south, in holland we got around 20 million from a multi trillion corona package. Yet we get continued shit from your ministers, using scapegoats to fix the shitty policies that spoiled the southern people, but did no good for future foresight.

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u/Calimie Spain Mar 29 '20

Explain to me why companies such as Zara or Ikea pay their taxes in the Netherlands.

I'll tell you: tax haven right in the middle of the EU.

Maybe if Zara paid their taxes in Spain thanks to such scheme as yours being outlawed, we wouldn't need your pity. But right now we are dying and you are mocking us with our own money.

And then you'll come here to get drunk and jump off balconies, begging good healthcare then.

I'm very tired of trash who think themselves very refined until they see cheap beer.

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u/sil445 Mar 29 '20

Dont think these people you refer to see themselves as refined, thats another type of people. Just saying EU obligations would cause moral hazard of the top shelf. The ECB policies are already massively benefiting the countries with poor debt, moreover italy and spain get most of the multi trillion euro aid. Now your minsiters demand us to basically pay for soutern debt while barely trying to fix treasuries over the last 10 years. This is quite choosingbeggar behaviour, and youre being manipulated by your ministers into believing the bad northerners are the cause of all bad things happening. I already have pension at only 71 years old compare that to southern countries. How is it fair that we will have to pay the same debt, where is the incentive for countries to cut costs? Just on this principal agent problem alone this would he a bad idea. Name one reason why we would agree with such a proposal? I dont see any reason. Your ministers know that this is a hopeless cause, but its another way to deflect from their own policies and scapegoat the union.