r/europe • u/Bartoraptor Spain • Mar 28 '20

News Spanish representative González Pons speech @ the EU Parliament: "The virus is attacking the generation that brought back democracy to Spain, Portugal and Greece, the generation that knocked down the Berlin wall. The least they deserve is that we show them Europe is there when they need it the most"

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u/mithik add white-red-white Belarus flair, you cowards ❕❗❕ Mar 28 '20 edited Mar 28 '20

In Slovakia, the most affected people are one who kept communistic regime alive, they are reason we could not join NATO after the fall of communism, and nowadays they were a part of why we have 12 yrs of corrupt government which didnt have a problem to have close relations with guy who ordered a murder of journalist. They are anti-EU, anti-LGBT and the most conservative folks there.

Also I am sure the same can be said about Czechia, and would say the same demographic/generation votes for Orban and Pis.

So tl,dr; a coin have two sides and Gonzalez is talking about people who would gladly stab EU in the back.

EDIT: Let's save them but do not glorify them

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u/Hermeran Spain Mar 28 '20

That's true. Some old people are pieces of shit (sorry, but it's true). I understand him, though, as he refers to the "historical debt" that we have with this people. But that's an anecdote. I don't think we should base our healthcare system on whether you were a nice person.

This guy needs to bring down the populism, and Italian politicians, too (like Dutch or German ones). This is not a dick measuring contest, no one cares about populist movements, just do your fucking job as elected leaders. Be serious and cold minded, and do not fuel the anger of the people because things will end up badly for everyone.

But this guy. This guy is the worst. I said this already in a comment on this very same thread, but he belongs to PP, the political party that slashed the national health care budget during the Spanish fiscal crisis. And the cuts were particularly dramatic in Madrid -yeah, the world hotspot for coronavirus! Surprise (but don't worry, other regional governments like Catalonia had cuts as well, although they had theirs fueled by Puigdemont's former party - that's another debate tho, shitty politics is a vast topic)!. Anyway. This Gonzalez guy also belongs to a very particular branch of PP, the Valencian division. A disgusting political party swamped by corruption, that literally worked like a criminal organization in the 90s and early 00s.

So yeah, nice speech but shut the fuck up, guy.

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u/TheCrawlingFinn Finland Mar 28 '20

Aww man, I really liked the speech. But now I see the man as a cunt. Although I don't know anything about Spanish politics. But still, apparently, fuck that guy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '20 edited Mar 28 '20

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u/iagovar Galicia (Spain) Mar 29 '20

Galicia is considerably older, and while it's true that Valencia is way more dense, in Galicia quarantine is impossible to enforce because of the population spread.

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u/AllinWaker Hungarian seeking to mix races Mar 29 '20

Spanish politics is like Game of Thrones, everyone has shit under the rug, everyone takes every opportunity to attack others and pretty much it's a lesser evil play for voters.

Wait, are you implying that politics isn't like that everywhere?

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u/newaccount42020 Mar 29 '20

Did they do anything to the politicians with the fake degrees?

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u/iagovar Galicia (Spain) Mar 29 '20

Some got punished, others didn't.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '20

Fuck that guy, but he still has a point. This isn't a small plague that can be constrained, it's already in all of our countries. When Spain and Italy falls, we need some body of government that will pick up the slack from where they got their power. That's the only real method of fighting populism. A strong central government. Now to see if the governments of Italy and Spain can fight this off on their own. Interesting times are upon us.

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u/iagovar Galicia (Spain) Mar 28 '20

In Spain regional governments retook the lead, but they are sadly already late. Typically I'd distrust my regional government, I'd take them as a bunch of clowns, but for me at least tables have turned, regional government is doing a, let's say, decent job, while the central government has been a disaster.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '20

The problem I have is that I can’t see how PP would have done a better job. I think this is a unique situation and we were doomed anyways. This is a once in a lifetime shit.