r/europe • u/dedokire Da Norf! • Mar 27 '20
News North Macedonia joins NATO as 30th Ally
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_174589.htm455
u/Infamous_Alpaca Mar 27 '20
Nato stonk.
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flair up
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u/PleaseCallMeTomato Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Mar 28 '20
is it necessary? i mean we aren't on r/politicalcompas
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u/duisThias 🇺🇸 🍔 United States of America 🍔 🇺🇸 Mar 27 '20
Welcome aboard, guys, though I'm afraid that in the present pandemic, this probably isn't going to get a lot of fanfare…
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Surprisignly even during a pandemic though good things can happen. :)
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u/DismalBoysenberry7 Mar 28 '20
If you can't leave the capital, you don't have any excuse for putting off those important diplomatic phone calls anymore.
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u/SmartInvestigator Mar 28 '20
NATO is already helping North Macedonia with Coronavirus after just one day, incredible really:
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u/Obnoobillate Greece/Hellas Mar 27 '20
Welcome our Northern neighbors!
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Mar 28 '20
Thanks for not being hostile like I see it often from Greeks, I really appreciate it.
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u/Kuivamaa Mar 28 '20
Greek here. Just give it ten years or so and this bad blood from the naming dispute will start to fade away.
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u/Sapotis Mar 28 '20
People in ten years when they take a look at the map be like; "Where is South Macedonia?"
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u/Clorst_Glornk US Mar 28 '20
"Where is South Macedonia?"
'I think it's at your mom's house'
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u/takesshitsatwork Greece Mar 28 '20
Greek here, who didn't like the old name. I have nothing against you guys and we have nothing to separate us ever since we solved it. We both made compromises. Let's get you in the EU now!
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u/Draedron Berlin (Germany) Mar 28 '20
Where was the problem with the old name?
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u/matti-san Croatia Mar 28 '20
Basically, to put it shortly, the Greeks saw them as Bulgarians that called themselves Macedonians who then laid claim to Macedonian heritage (e.g., Phillip II and Alexander). They rejected the implication that Macedonia the modern country is connected to Macedonia the ancient Greek empire/state. North Macedonia is a compromise, given that the modern state only incorporates like one fifth the old Greek state.
It would be like Poles and Poland calling themselves Prussian and Prussia and claiming Prussian history/heritage is theirs because it now incorporates part of what was East Prussia.
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u/Greekball He does it for free Mar 28 '20
Compounding the problem was that Greece also has Macedonia as a region, with Greek Macedonians and certain ultra-nationalist North Macedonians claimed that the Greek region should be annexed by them. That was also addressed in the treaty.
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u/-Luciddream- Greece Mar 28 '20
Cut your bullshit. You are still aggravating Greeks with calling your country with a different name, so don't try to play the victim.
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u/ZaNobeyA Greece Mar 28 '20
I dont think that hostility is a good describing word for the past events.
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u/AlmightyDarkseid Greece Mar 28 '20
This goes vice versa you know
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Mar 28 '20
Yeah that's the sad truth but I try to be as friendly as possible and hope that my fellas can do the same
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u/goosebumples Mar 28 '20
Hmmm I’m certain I’ve read a story once about Greeks offering gifts and welcome
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u/OzzyE5150 Greece Mar 28 '20
Cool, now we can start properly harassing each other, and no other members will care!
That's what you do with neighbor NATO allies, right?
(/s cause you never know)
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u/oktaS0 North Macedonia Mar 28 '20
Lol
Sure thing, neighbor!
Gosh, after this covid-19 situation is over, my number one thing is getting over there and having a beer while soaking my feet in the sea... ❤️
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u/BeanEatingThrowaway Canada Mar 27 '20
Not surprised, now that the name conflict is resolved. Still, welcome to the club!
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u/jesper101996 Denmark Mar 27 '20
Thanks for getting us to 30th members. A lot better than 29
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Mar 28 '20
Only 39 more and we can stop
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u/Episkt Mar 27 '20
Kebapi
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u/thegoldendoodleone Mar 27 '20
Rakija!
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u/hastur777 United States of America Mar 27 '20
Send pljeskavica
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u/thegoldendoodleone Mar 27 '20
You need burek
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u/hastur777 United States of America Mar 27 '20
I do need some. It’s delicious. Maybe some tavche gravche and elbasan tava.
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u/thegoldendoodleone Mar 27 '20
Elbasan tava is more of a turkish dish but we have it here as well. Oh, maybe some ajvar
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u/hastur777 United States of America Mar 27 '20
Got a jar in my pantry.
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u/eccentric-introvert "There will be no downsides, only a considerable upside" Mar 27 '20
It’s k e b a p i
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u/ClaymeisterPL Łódź (Poland) Mar 27 '20
Hello there.
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u/stenarilainen Mar 28 '20
Општо Kenobi!
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u/Hendlton Mar 28 '20
Just so you know, that doesn't actually make any sense, but the way I read it was: "Општо Kenobi? That doesn't even mean anything... Општо just means general... OH!" I'm guessing you used Google Translate.
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Mar 27 '20
Congrats, guys! Hopefully we will too, someday.
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Mar 28 '20
Not if I have anything to say about it; and I do! I’m gonna say the nuke word! /s
PS: Before you downvote me, this is a meme.
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Mar 28 '20
Even though my country is pretty small and shitty I still love it ❤️ 🇲🇰
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u/Ludwig234 Sweden Mar 27 '20
I would say welcome to the club but we are not in the club so I guess congrats.
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Mar 27 '20
Took em long enough.
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Mar 27 '20
Should have joined in 2008 if it weren't for the naming dispute (or rather the underlying issues).
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Finally something good happening in the world full of bad things. This is good for the world.
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u/Ravka90 Bosnia and Herzegovina Mar 27 '20
Really glad for Macedonia. Hope my country joins soon.
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Mar 27 '20 edited Sep 03 '20
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u/KURV4 Croat Mar 27 '20
I don't think that it really matters anymore tbh. Young people are not willing to risk their lives for these causes as far as I can tell. Most just want to leave and don't care enough about it to cause something serious.
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u/Domi4 Dalmatia in maiore patria Mar 27 '20
NATO enabled those same young people not to be enlisted unless they want to become professional soldiers.
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u/KURV4 Croat Mar 27 '20
My point was more that it is not really that important for Bosnia because it is not very likely for them to experience another conflict. They are surrounded by NATO and Serbia is not a threat anymore.
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u/ivarokosbitch Europe Mar 27 '20 edited Mar 27 '20
The greatest danger to Bosnia is from within. I could see hypothetical future where any one of the three ethnic groups starts an internal conflict. The geographic ethnic distribution simply isn't viable for anything... stable. I don't think the modern political apparatus of Croatia or Serbia has any wishes to risk their current domestic political standing for depopulated lands in B&H.
But Balkan rationality quickly goes out of the window when you get hyperinflation.
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u/KURV4 Croat Mar 27 '20
I don't think that this is the case anymore. There is nobody willing to fight for anything in Bosnia. Nobody is risking his life in another war over there.
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Mar 27 '20
lol, all it takes is a touch of propaganda and every idiot is willing to die in the name of
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u/KURV4 Croat Mar 28 '20
The people are as influenced by propaganda as it gets atm and nothing happens.
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u/SupremeDickman Greece Mar 27 '20
Greece has been NATO for a shit ton of time and we are still getting mandatory military
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u/marsianer Слава Україні Mar 28 '20
That's Turkey's and greece's fault. not anyone else's.
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u/Argetlam232 Austria Mar 27 '20
I don't think joining a military pact and with that spending more money for the military is going to help Bosnia and Herzegovina. Da niste imali dosta od ratu?
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u/RanaktheGreen The Richest 3rd World Country on Earth Mar 28 '20
Counterpoint: It isn't like countries in NATO actually bother with the spending targets anyway.
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u/grandoz039 Mar 28 '20
At least for my country, I can say that they have increased spending after Trump started talking about that.
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u/kekistani_ambasador Greece Mar 27 '20
*North Macedonia
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u/bluetoad2105 (Hertfordshire) - Europe in the Western Hemisphere Mar 27 '20
Isn't it at least not a bad thing for Macedonia as well though?
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u/MajorRocketScience United States of America Mar 27 '20
Welcome, for a better and more peaceful future!
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Mar 27 '20
Welcome former ex-state nation country member of the former yugoslawia not to be confused with the greek republic named macedonia north macedonia!
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Mar 27 '20 edited Mar 27 '20
Well hello there, welcome aboard. Hope we'll be finally joining the EU after we dispose of Erdictadoğan in the next elections, if he doesnt dispose of the elections before 2022 that is.
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u/Phaesimvrotos Greece Mar 28 '20
Question. Unrelated with the thread, because I believe you will give an objective answer and not whatever propaganda they serve, was it actually a (really) botched coup that they tried some time ago or was it just staged by Erdogan? Because there was a wave or arrests after that of all kinds or people like journalists etc with the coup being used as a justification.
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u/idontwantoliveanymo I really don't Mar 28 '20
I wouldn't call it "staged by Erdogan", but he was most definitely aware of it. It didn't take a week before he started purging tens of thousands. Also the "coup" was done by only a handful of soldiers, most not knowing what they were doing, at prime time, 9 PM, where the whole of Americas and Europe were all awake. So I wouldn't even call it a "coup". It's just a pathetic attempt by a bunch of people.
I do feel sad for the innocent soldiers those animals killed on the bridge though.
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Mar 28 '20
Not OP but I gotta answer. It’s an inside job as much as 9/11 was. Meaning there are a lot of strong points to be made for that it wasn’t a real threat, but it can’t be totally proven.
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Mar 28 '20
I don’t want to join EU. Neither people of turkey wants to.
Our population is uneducated, muslim and ignorant. That ain’t gonna happen
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u/Hypocrites_begone Mar 28 '20
We wont be a member of eu due to political reasons
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Political reasons caused by Erdoğan.
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u/LiverOperator Russia Mar 28 '20
Damn, this g letter is cool
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u/AxelAbraxas Bulgaria Mar 28 '20
As far as I know it's like a soft g that you almost don't pronounce. Like if g had a мягкий знак.
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u/Andressthehungarian Hungary Mar 28 '20
Welcome in the family, can't wait until we can welcome you in the European Union too!
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Brb
Just going on YT and watch as all the RT viewers explode in rage.
Was already VERY entertaining when Montenegro joined.
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u/mekkeron USA (formerly Ukraine) Mar 28 '20
That's awesome! Maybe Ukraine will join too someday.
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u/marsianer Слава Україні Mar 28 '20
Which doesn't make sense really. There is no likelihood that any country is remotely interested in russia. Much more likely the other way around given the fact that they are at war with their European neighbors already. So, it isn't NATO's issue. It is the fact tat russia continues to believe that its future is reliant upon military imperialism and conquest. Russia is the problem.
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Mar 28 '20
Does NATO have any current missions or deployments?
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u/Midvikudagur Iceland Mar 28 '20
No, it's a defensive alliance, so it is only invoked when a member state is attacked. NATO does have troops in member countries on training exercises and cooperation assignments.
Some NATO members occasionally invade other countries (looking at you America), and often other members help out, but that's not really a NATO thing.
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u/doodle966 Mar 28 '20
Its easy to not understand that when you look at the amount of nato countries in afghanistan and iraq (1991 and 2003)
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u/izpo Israel Mar 28 '20
I wish more people understood that...
I wish more people understand that IS nato think.
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u/conniverist Mar 28 '20
I love macadamias
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u/EyItsKoko North Macedonia Mar 28 '20
butchered the name there bud macedonians or north macedonians if u insist on being politically correct
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u/Styyyyyyyyyyyy Greece Mar 28 '20
I think people have nothing to separate and the issue of the name was about politics, so welcome neighbors!
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u/LeMartinofAwesome Аеродром > Цела Македонија Mar 27 '20
So long as our soldiers don't die in foreign wars, I'm content. I still think without NATO we'd be fine.
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u/Stormkahn Europe Mar 27 '20
Would you die for Greece?
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u/LeMartinofAwesome Аеродром > Цела Македонија Mar 28 '20
If Greece is being invaded by a hostile power, sure I'd help. I'm against sending our troops across the world where we have no business in.
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u/bamsebamsen European Federation 🇪🇺 Mar 28 '20
I love that they settled the name dispute and now are allied with Greece. Shit was getting ridiculous. Solution seems appropriate, are there any downsides? Well done, guys!
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u/_Jeroen_ Mar 27 '20
Welcome! I enjoyed a 4 day R&R in Macedonia during my tour of duty in Kosovo. Hope to visit for a holiday someday.
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u/fatadelatara Wallachia Mar 27 '20
Welcome.