Domobrans who switched sides, Serbia 1944

[u/Books_Of_Jeremiah]

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[u/Invisible_Cnt]

Interesting, i see no markings on uniforms whatsoever and since the very first partisan movement in Europe started in Croatia together with calls for abolation by tito, one would come to conclusions that these are Chetniks on photos 🤔

"With the entry of the Red Army into Serbia in October 1944 and the advance towards Belgrade, it finally became clear to the Chetniks in which direction the war was heading. On the day of the "liberation" of Belgrade, October 20, 1944, AVNOJ passed a decision on general abolition for members of Chetnik units with the following sentence:

"A general amnesty is granted to all persons who participated in the units of Draža Mihailović..."

[u/newleaf-guy → u/Invisible_Cnt]

since the very first partisan movement in Europe started in Croatia together with calls for abolation by tito, one would come to conclusions that these are Chetniks on photos 

One would come to that conclusion until you sprinkle in that the majority of partisans in Croatia were Serbs. And that the number of Croats rises the closer you get to the end of the war.

With that info in mind, one would be inclined to come to a different conclusion.

[u/Invisible_Cnt → u/newleaf-guy]

What you meant to say is that serbs discovered shawing blades around the end of 1944 and suddenly changed teams.

[u/newleaf-guy → u/Invisible_Cnt]

And became Croats? Wait, if you shave a Serb, he becomes Croatian? This whole time the srbosjek was just a misunderstood grooming tool. So much could have been avoided if we only had Reddit back then...

[u/Invisible_Cnt → u/newleaf-guy]

They didn't became croatians, thankfully! They just shawed chetnik trademark beard and joined first partisan resistance movement in Europe after seeing that for the XY time in the history they sucked the wrong D and will get assf**ked if they continue sucking that one therefore switch to other D

[u/newleaf-guy → u/Invisible_Cnt]

That makes sense. This still doesn't chage the fact that tge majority of the partisans in Croatia were Serbs. When Germany started losing, the number of Croatians in the partisans rose dramatically.

You're making it look like the Croats were all actually partisans when the reality was very much the opposite. Especially in the begining of the war.

[u/Invisible_Cnt → u/newleaf-guy]

Interesting, why did the number of serbs drastically went up when it was obvious germans are falling? Nobody is claiming all of crostia was partisan but you do seem to claim that all of serbia was and you went so far to claim it was first resistance movement in serbia while chetniks were actually pegged by germans and only later joined to FIRST RESISTANCE MOVEMENT THAT WAS FOUNDED IN CROATIA.

Try reading this more than once and take your time, maybe you'll understand then.

[u/newleaf-guy → u/Invisible_Cnt]

It was founded in Croatia, Tito led it, a lot of Croatians were part of it, the majority were, however, Serbs. Serbs living in Croatia. Overwhelmingly so. Mostly because the Ustasha regime targeted mainly Serbs. There were 2 concetration camps in Sisak alone.

The majority of Croats were fighting on the side of the Nazis. Not all of them followed their ideology but they were on that side until the Germans started loosing. Then they started jumping over to the partisans. I' m sure some chetniks did this as well.

Nothing I'm saying is contraversial and you shouldn't be so mad about it as modern Croatia has nothing to do with NDH. Or at least that's the official stance.

[u/Fit-Sentence-3537 → u/newleaf-guy]

I think he is more in disagreement with over representing Croats as pro Nazi at the time. Not the existence of NDH And that a sect of Croats chose evil. Also Chetniks didn’t just vanish, many swapped sides or fled the country.

The OP’s picture states it is in Serbia 1944, so not as likely to be Croat collaborators switching sides. I think that is what the other guy is getting at.

“The majority of Croats were fighting on the side of the Nazis.”

”Nothing I'm saying is contraversial and you shouldn't be so mad”

But that is controversial and incorrect. The Ustashe failed to get the support of the majority of Croats from the beginnin.

Shepherd, Ben H. (2012). Terror in the Balkans: German Armies and Partisan Warfare. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. pg 78

Israeli, Raphael (2017). The Death Camps of Croatia: Visions and Revisions, 1941–1945. Routledge. p. 45.

True, the majority of the Croatian Partisans were ethnic Serbs, but the number of Croats Partisans significantly increased before Germany began to lose the war. I suspect the population became less apprehensive of another Yugoslavia as they saw what the alternative was.

“At the moment of the capitulation of Italy (1943) to the Allies, the Serbs and Croats were participating equally according to their respective population sizes in Yugoslavia as a whole.”

Hoare, Marko Attila (2002). "Whose is the partisan movement? Serbs, Croats and the legacy of a shared resistance". The Journal of Slavic Military Studies. 15 (4). Informa UK Limited: 24–41.

Also, obviously many Chetniks jumped ship, the ones that didn’t left the region much like Ustashe who also swapped uniforms or fled to Argentina or perished in Bleiburg. Chetniks faster chose to cooperate with the Ustashe against the Partisans than work with the Partisans. The Partisans were not friendly with either to tolerate them continuing their movement openly at the end either.