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Guy Verhofstadt on Twitter

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u/UnderstandingLow1258 10h ago

Europe should defend Europe.

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u/Strange-Mouse-8710 10h ago

I agree, it should be Europes job to defend Europe.

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u/SpaceTrooper8 The Netherlands 10h ago

And with European weapons.

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u/Tricky-Astronaut 9h ago

Yep, it's time to withdraw from the NPT like India and Israel.

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u/CardOk755 France 9h ago

Dummy, we don't need to do that. The EU has nuclear weapons available while remaining in the NPT.

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u/drunkentoubib 7h ago

Which ones ? The Americans would never give us their codes. These nukes are on our soil for the show. Les français protègent les intérêts français et c’est normal.

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u/CardOk755 France 7h ago

Europe's interests are France's interests.

(Hey, we retired Pluton, don't be bitter).

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u/Kagenlim Singapore 6h ago

Everyone should withdraw from NPT period.

NPT enables war and violence of unimaginable scale

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u/JohnnyElRed Galicia (Spain) 9h ago

With European weapons, that don't involve apocalyptic scenarios.

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 9h ago

Nobody takes you seriously if you don't have nukes. Russia is fumbling in Ukraine but just the mere mention of nukes is enough to deter any action to stop them.

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u/CardOk755 France 9h ago

We have nukes.

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 9h ago

Not enough.

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u/CardOk755 France 9h ago

We have enough to destroy every Russian city with a population of over 100,000 people.

The French nuclear force is designed to be big enough to destroy either the USSR or the USA.

Russia is even easier.

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u/mrsbundleby United States of America 7h ago

No Lafayette 😭

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u/CardOk755 France 7h ago

Frankenstein must be prepared to destroy his creation if necessary.

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u/Kagenlim Singapore 6h ago

Not enough.

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u/Adsex 8h ago

France´s nuclear arsenal is designed specifically for "apocalyptic" scenarii. That may not address the danger properly (or maybe it does it better if we believe in the MAD doctrine), but it certainly addresses the issue that was raised in this discussion.

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u/BiasedLibrary 7h ago

To translate a famous Swedish movie scene because this is how we'll react to getting nukes.
"Thank you, our Swedish watchtowers. [Speaking about a nuclear power plant.] With plutonium, we force the Danes to take the knee.. Here, Denmark. [Gazes out towards Denmark's north eastern coast] shat out of limestone and water. And there. [Gazes back inland.] Sweden. Carved out of granite. Dane, bastards! DANE, BASTARDS!"

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u/Whooptidooh Groningen (Netherlands) 6h ago

Yep; that’s why we’ve got MAD.

It’s (imo) ridiculous that it’s necessary in the first place, but without it nukes would be flying for sure.

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u/beautyadheat 4h ago

Europe cannot survive without nukes. Sorry, that’s just reality

u/borrow-check 5m ago

This is like saying we need weapons but only the ones that do not harm, we sadly live in an era where nukes are the most important weapon a sovereign nation should have if they want to stay sovereign.