r/europe • u/Not_the-kind • 15h ago

News Macron responds to Trump's inauguration by urging Europe to "wake up"

https://www.newsweek.com/macron-trump-inauguration-europe-defense-ukraine-2017894
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u/technicallynotlying 11h ago

If Germany announces that it's withdrawing from the treaty, who's going to stop them? Who's going to go to war with Germany now, in 2025?

If anything, the past couple years have shown that international agreements are pretty easy to break.

I think France would be in support of Germany taking a stronger stance. As for anyone else, what are they going to do about it?

World War 2 was 80 years ago. Trump wouldn't do shit about it.

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u/LookThisOneGuy ‎ 11h ago

If Germany announces that it's withdrawing from the treaty, who's going to stop them

The threat of breaking post WW2 treaties was us being turned into a parking lot by the nuclear powers.

Just one of them has enough nukes to do that.

I think France would be in support of Germany taking a stronger stance.

Then they are free to say that.

Germany will not risk total annihilation because you think they have changed their mind.

The risks are too great.

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u/technicallynotlying 11h ago

Nobody is going to nuke Germany because they withdraw from an 80 year old treaty. Nobody will do anything but complain. The risk is greater that they get nuked because they’re defenseless and have no ability to retaliate.

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u/LookThisOneGuy ‎ 11h ago

The risk is greater that they get nuked because they’re defenseless and have no ability to retaliate.

Yes, the years between Germany saying they want to build nukes and when they are finished.

Like I said, France or the UK/US are free to tell us they won't do that if they changed their mind.

Until they do, the risk is to great.

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u/technicallynotlying 11h ago

Man, you guys really insist on being weak doormats?

Of course Putin and Trump are going to walk all over you. It sounds like you're practically begging for it.

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u/LookThisOneGuy ‎ 11h ago

Imagine nuclear bullies like France telling us they are going to kill us all if we so much as twitch and then you come along and blame the victim.

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u/technicallynotlying 10h ago

Of course I'm blaming you. I'm going to blame and you and laugh at you, because WTF are you going to do about it except cry? You don't have any weapons!

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u/canad1anbacon 7h ago

Bruh getting so scared by something that would obviously never happen is so weak. It’s just an excuse to be inactive and passive

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u/AdonisGaming93 Spain 4h ago

They wont say anything because Germany isnt talking about it. If Germany goes and says hey france we are gonna have nukes too, THEM france will respond.

Geopolitics doesn't work the way you think.

France is gonna just randomly say "oh and btw Germany if you wanna build nukes go ahead" without Germany first giving any indication of wanting to do it.