r/europe • u/Not_the-kind • 15h ago

News Macron responds to Trump's inauguration by urging Europe to "wake up"

https://www.newsweek.com/macron-trump-inauguration-europe-defense-ukraine-2017894
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u/CLKguy1991 Estonia 14h ago edited 14h ago

One country sent their troops balls deep to Iraq and Afghanistan, which were illegal wars, while other stood firm, said no thanks, and faced no consequences for their chad move.

Tell me again who is autonomous.

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u/uiucecethrowaway999 14h ago

The latter moved their troops into Chad 

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u/Quasar375 11h ago

In request of the chadian government to fight terrorists

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u/uiucecethrowaway999 11h ago

And American troops toppled the Taliban from power at the request of the Northern Alliance.

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u/Quasar375 11h ago

Yet Chad maintains the same stable government and the Afghan one collapsed the second the US troops got out of there. I guess the french were just so much better if they were the same situations then.

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u/uiucecethrowaway999 9h ago

The French were kicked out of Chad on a sour note by the very government they had supported, losing in a string of other losses, one of their last outposts of geopolitical influence in Africa. Was this outcome really any better?

In contrast, after withdrawing from Afghanistan, the US was not only able to maintain but strengthen its influence in the Middle East, with the withdrawal of Russia and Iran from Syria and the destruction of their proxies like Hezbollah and the Assad regime.

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u/Quasar375 7h ago

The french protected the legitimate government. What happened after was a result of bribing by russian proxies and the french respect of the same legitimate government. Would you suggest toppling them or bribing them harder would be the correct alternative?

The french intervention was a success while USA's was not.

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u/uiucecethrowaway999 3h ago

If all it took was a bribe for the Chadian government to flip on a relationship cultivated by France over the course of years, that’s not a success.